Panasonic DMP-BD50 hitting the streets in about a week

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allargon

Audioholic General
$699.99? That's been the expected MSRP for months AFAIK. Do you mean it went up since it was announced back in Jan.?
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
I don't know... I can't see spending that much on a player that I'm likely to replace in 2 yrs.
 
dobyblue

dobyblue

Senior Audioholic
It could be as low as $499 before Christmas.
They're the only 2.0 standalone player on the market for a short while, so they'll charge a premium in that time.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
$699.99? That's been the expected MSRP for months AFAIK. Do you mean it went up since it was announced back in Jan.?
When they first announced the player it had a price of $599.
 
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allargon

Audioholic General
It could be as low as $499 before Christmas.
They're the only 2.0 standalone player on the market for a short while, so they'll charge a premium in that time.
It's the only one that's 2.0 out of the box. The LG BH200 and the Samsung BD-P1500 are 2.0 ready waiting on firmware updates. The plus is that it is likely to be the first player with multichannel analog outs to decode all the high res formats (unlike that we don't do DD+/DTS-HD HR $2k Denon :rolleyes:).
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
im only touching a BD player if:

-it's 399USD
-it's better than the PS3 in playing BD's (not including the media server capabily of the ps3)
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
im only touching a BD player if:

-it's 399USD
-it's better than the PS3 in playing BD's (not including the media server capabily of the ps3)
It's great us select few can be completely intent with our PS3s being used as Blu-ray players. Let the rest figure it out. I, for one, am tired of explaining why the PS3 (even if you don't plan on gaming) is significantly better in the "bang for buck" respect than other Blu-ray players in the current market. I think it's absolutely insane what they are charging for the Panasonic DMP-BD50. Sony needs to step up, since they intend on making up for losses on software sales, and put out some inexpensive Blu-ray players. I don't even care if they do a rebadged Funai, so long as it's cheap.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
It's great us select few can be completely intent with our PS3s being used as Blu-ray players. Let the rest figure it out. I, for one, am tired of explaining why the PS3 (even if you don't plan on gaming) is significantly better in the "bang for buck" respect than other Blu-ray players in the current market. I think it's absolutely insane what they are charging for the Panasonic DMP-BD50. Sony needs to step up, since they intend on making up for losses on software sales, and put out some inexpensive Blu-ray players. I don't even care if they do a rebadged Funai, so long as it's cheap.
Without restarting the PS3 debat for the n-teenth time, I do have to agree with respect to Sony. Why can't they just take a PS3 and stuff into a box that will appeal to equipments snobs? It just makes no sense. From a business standpoint I can't see any downside.. basically selling the same piece of equipment "rebadged" so to speak for two markets.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Without restarting the PS3 debat for the n-teenth time, I do have to agree with respect to Sony. Why can't they just take a PS3 and stuff into a box that will appeal to equipments snobs? It just makes no sense. From a business standpoint I can't see any downside.. basically selling the same piece of equipment "rebadged" so to speak for two markets.
That's an excellent point. Just put the PS3 into a body like the other Sony BD players.

Would the gamers then complain that the PS3 does not look like a gaming machine?
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Exactly! I just don't get it and have yet to have anyone explain to me why it can't be that way.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Well I just a had possible theory explained to me! And it actually makes some sense, though I'd like to get your guy's take on it.

Sony won't simply repackage the PS3 in an BD350 style box because it supposedly, the technology that makes the PS3 work so well expensive to the point where they sell each PS4 at a loss, but expect to make it up in gaming fees.

I sorda buy that, but if you could make the best non-gaming blu-ray player at an affordable cost - like the PS3... would they not expect to sell more blu-ray movies and make fees that way since they own Blu-Ray?

Chime in.
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
I believe it has nothing to do with the fact it's a gaming device! People are just not ready for the added expense of owning BR player standalone unit or gaming device.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
I think there's some truth to that. With gas prices up the way they are and the significant ripple effect it causes across the many sectors that directly impact descretionary income, I certainly imagine some folks, if not many, are putting of luxury purchases such as a bd player.

I think beyond that however, there's still a huge misunderstanding/marketing fiasco with blu-ray and players. Not but 20 mintutes ago, my intern came in and asked what I was reading about (I was on this forum). I explained we're discussing the PS3 and Blu-Ray players, etc. His response: What does a Playstation have to do with DVD's?

Nice! Now here's an educated kid, 23 years old, supposed to be hip and cool, which I think for the most part he is. He knows about computers, loves going to movies and all that, but doesn't really "get" the "blu-ray" thing.

As for me, my reasons for not wanting a PS3 have been vetted on this site several times as have others. I think the fact that it is a gaming device does make a huge difference... at least to some who care about things like that and those who don't game who wouldn't ever grasp that they need a gaming console to have one of the best bd players out.
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
I think there's some truth to that. With gas prices up the way they are and the significant ripple effect it causes across the many sectors that directly impact descretionary income, I certainly imagine some folks, if not many, are putting of luxury purchases such as a bd player.

I think beyond that however, there's still a huge misunderstanding/marketing fiasco with blu-ray and players. Not but 20 mintutes ago, my intern came in and asked what I was reading about (I was on this forum). I explained we're discussing the PS3 and Blu-Ray players, etc. His response: What does a Playstation have to do with DVD's?

Nice! Now here's an educated kid, 23 years old, supposed to be hip and cool, which I think for the most part he is. He knows about computers, loves going to movies and all that, but doesn't really "get" the "blu-ray" thing.

As for me, my reasons for not wanting a PS3 have been vetted on this site several times as have others. I think the fact that it is a gaming device does make a huge difference... at least to some who care about things like that and those who don't game who wouldn't ever grasp that they need a gaming console to have one of the best bd players out.
Heh.. at this particular time the notion of owning a dual purpose player like the PS3 would be insane(speaking for myself). Lets face it those subliminal messages just by its presents would cause me to run out and buy/rent the newest and lastest stuipid games everytime there are released. Ah.. no thanks I'll just wait for the right player to come along with all the features I need and the price is right.:)
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I think it's funny how the average person questions what a major corporation, that's been around for years, and thinks they know how to run it better than those that do.;)

I'm not saying it to be mean, it's just that someone is getting paid big money to make important decisions to maximize profit. I'm sure Sony has a large sum figured out already.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
Well yes.. people do get paid "big money" to make important decisions. As a financial analyst, I get paid a lot of money to anaylze companies. I can tell you from the years that I have been tearing into various companies, conglomerates, and government agencies, that there is often times very little relationship between what someone gets paid and the validity of their decision making prowness. I have been continually amazed at the complete lack of communication and understanding between divisions that many large companies suffer from and the poor decisions that are the outcome from ignorance, arrogance, and/or indifference.

Granted, I'm not in the inner circle of Sony, nor am I privy to their internal management reports. However, I was speaking as a consumer... asking the question... not stating a "they should."

From my standpoint, the way I see it as a consumer... they have one of the best bd players available in the PS3. However... there's two buying segments that they are losing based on my own observations. The first are people like me, who may be more tradionalist in their purchases and don't want that style of equipement (we can argue about the reasonability of that in a different thread) and the other segment of those who simply do not grasp or make the connection that they need a gaming console to have the best player. To me, from where I stand, that's easily solved by simply packaging the same player in two versions. Companies do that literally all the time. Auto manufactures have done that for years with tremendous success as have many many others.

My question was simple... what is preventing Sony from doing the same and taking full advantage of economies of scale and shared resources. They're not because gaming and a/v electronics are basically treated as entirely seperate companies within Sony.

I'm not saying they're stupid... quite the contrary, my assumption was that they in fact do have good reason... I just wasn't aware of it and was looking for possible reasons.

If it turns out that the new players, the BD350 and 550 are not comparable with the PS3 in performance, I will look elsewhere for a player.
 
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croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
For those of us (me) that don't want a PS3, is this thing worth 700 bucks? Does anyone know if it has 5.1 outs? Is it better than the Sammy 1500?
 

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