Panansonic AE2000 vs Epson EMP-TW1000

[satish536]

I cant get the optoma dlp 1080p projectors since they have placement issues and my room is pretty small.
So i have the choice of two below listed lcd projectors. Both have favorable reviews but i read on avs someone posted the epson does not display 1080P@24fps.

Epson India - Epson TW1000
{ANSI 1200 Lumens, 12000:1, 170W Lamp)
http://www.epson.co.in/products/projectors/EPSON_EMP-TW1000.shtml
some reviews:-
http://avreviews.avforums.com/index.php?reviewid=9&pageid=4

{ANSI 1500 Lumens, 16000:1, 165W UHP Lamp}
Panasonic - AE2000
http://www.panasonic.com/business/projectors/ae2000/index.asp
reviews:- http://www.panasonic.com/business/projectors/expert_reviews.asp?page=ae2000

I want the best picture quality for SD upconverted(oppo 983H) to 1080P and native HD .
1. The panasonic clearly wins on paper(specs), do these specs indicate realistic performance ? Can i use them as a standard for comparison?

2. The Epson is the asian model of the Powerlite Home Cinema 1080.
Now audioholics has a rather informative review of the epson 1080 where they highly recommend it.
We know the Epson is a capable player but the question is the Panasonic better?
Some review they compared the Epson to Panasonic AE1000 which was the older model and said they had similar performance.

3.1080P@24 frames: How much should this feature matter to me ?
any opinions, comments, experiences would be appreciated.

thanks as always

 

[Dezoris]

I left a message on the AV rant line for Audioholics about the entire 1080p/24 issue.

It seems many people are missing the point of 1080p.
Right now there are only two real ways of getting a true 1080p picture to these high end displays.

BluRay and gaming systems/computers.

If you don't have those devices then you don't need a 1080p native display.

I am going to work in reverse.


3. If you are an avid movie fan and plan to watch and own many BluRay movies there is no excuse not to have a 1080p/24 display. And to have a 1080p24 display that does not use pull down do conversion.

The reason the 24 is important is because when the movie is filmed almost always they shoot the movie in 24 frames per second using 1/48 shutter speeds. Its often what gives film that look and feel.

This is hard to understand even for AV people it seems unless you have worked with shooting video. I have had the chance to do many short films shooting in 24p 1/48. It requires great care to shoot this way, and alters the way most everything is filmed. And for some of these so called audiophiles and videophiles even on Audioholics to ignore it like it does not matter shows either lack of understanding or interest in it.

So bottom line is they have a way to include that frame rate into the BluRays you want a display to show it properly and most 1080p displays don't do it right.

And its not easy to find a list.
I dont visit AVS but its the only list I could find for 1080p/24 displays
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13167876


2.
I have not seen the Epson you posted but did a side by side with the AE2000U and the 1080UB Epson.

I stuck with the Panasonic not because I loved it because I think it is a better all around package. The image quality is almost exactly the same between the two IMO even calibrated. The difference is in the details such as design, lens, remote, case and ease of adjustments and menus. I think the pansonic does a much better job and it is much less money. (You can get it off this site cheaper than anywhere else around $2430.) And the Panasonic does 1080p/24 at 96hz.

3. SD performance. I have a HD981 Oppo for the AE2000U and the picture is admirable after calibrating a second input for DVD. Its so good that it passed the woman test with a side by side of BluRay and DVD. The girls could not see a huge difference between DVD and BluRay.

But I am not impressed with the 1080i/720p/480i-p HDTV performance. Its good but does not blow me away. I mounted my old Optoma H31 unit for TV use and save the AE2000U for 1080p only use now.


1. In terms of

 

[satish536]

Great reply..thanks

I do plan to watch blu ray movies. I love movies i understand the whole 24 fps since i own a professional move theater also.

I looked at the list, acoording to the listtting the epson does 24 fps@48hz..

My two sources would be limited to oppo 983H(1080p upconverted) and blu ray in the near future.I dont have HD Cable or anything that wouldnt output 1080p (and even if get something i would have an Emo UMC-2 which has a decent upscaler to output 1080p).

But im leanin towards the panasonic after looking at your post.
Infact where im purchasing in India the panasonic $500 more than the epson.

So the panasonic would be the better choice ?

 

[Dezoris]

Great reply..thanks

I do plan to watch blu ray movies. I love movies i understand the whole 24 fps since i own a professional move theater also.

I looked at the list, acoording to the listtting the epson does 24 fps@48hz..

My two sources would be limited to oppo 983H(1080p upconverted) and blu ray in the near future.I dont have HD Cable or anything that wouldnt output 1080p (and even if get something i would have an Emo UMC-2 which has a decent upscaler to output 1080p).

But im leanin towards the panasonic after looking at your post.
Infact where im purchasing in India the panasonic $500 more than the epson.

So the panasonic would be the better choice ?

My opinion is subjective seeing and playing with both units.
I don't think anyone can really tell you one is better than the other in terms of picture quality. But everything else for me swayed me toward the panasonic. The Panasonic also does 24p sources at 96hz which some say may create a smoother looking image than the 48hz, but I certainly could not tell the difference.

So let me put it this way, I prefer the Panasonic but both will do what you want.