Ozzy Remastered with new Rhythm section?

Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
What do you guys think of this? You go out to buy remastered copies of Ozzy's first two solo albums and something isn't quite right. Hmm. They haven't just been remastered, they've been re-rhythm sectioned!

The work done by the original bassist and drummer have been replaced! :eek: (There's a dispute on royalties not paid.)

Is this kosher? What do you think?

And honestly, how do they do that? I don't understand the recording process at all. How can you take out individual instruments from a recording like that and replace them?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-ozzy21.html

Personally, I'm a little peeved as I'm a Lee Kerslake fan from back in his days with Uriah Heep. I would have been sorely disappointed had I picked these new releases up.
 
Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
Interesting. I would have thought at least one person would have thought this was a bad thing. It doesn't bother anyone that you aren't actually getting "Blizzard of Oz" but instead getting what amounts to a "cover" of it? Where are all the "musical integrity" people out there?
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
I wasn't going to reply because I don't own either the original Blizzard or the remastered version. I only have two greatest hits (Ozzman Cometh, Essential Ozzy) and No More Tears (which is a remaster).

The songs on Essential Ozzy that came from Blizzard of Oz are probably like your remastered version of the original album because it is new, but I wouldn't know what to listen for to verify it because I haven't heard an original disc in a very long time.

I do agree with your premise, however. I hate it when remasters change things for the worse and not the better. I also dislike when they don't include the original version of the song but instead include the 'Rothrock 2000 remix' (or some other cheesy club DJ's remix). A classic example of that is David Bowie - Fame. The ChangesBowie disc includes the Fame '90 remix instead of the original. I have never seen anyone say that they prefer the remix; instead everyone complains that it was a stupid move to not include the original that everyone knows and loves. It's ok with me if they give us an additional mix of the song but not when it is included in lieu of the original.

For the cases where I end up disliking the remaster for one reason or another, I just sell it and go to the used CD store in search of the original.
 
Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
Well, if they said it was a remix out front, that would be one thing. Then you'd know it was a redone version of the original. In this case I believe there is nothing to indicate changes were made.
 
Nomo

Nomo

Audioholic Samurai
I also own the Essential Ozzy CD. If the tracks off the first two albums are a re-rhythmed (that word still doesn't look right) version I can't tell, and my curiosity to compare doesn't justify reconnecting my turntable to play the vinyl version.
I do agree that the slight of hand involved kinda sucks but in reality 90% of the talent in these recordings is in Ozzy's voice and the Rhoades guitar work.
What a loss it was when he died.
 
Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
I'm not sure they did it for the Essential Ozzy. I believe this is for a remastered re-release of the original two albums. I tried to listen to some song "samples" on Amazon, but it's hard to tell. I couldn't tell if the bass sounded muddy compared to the original or if it was just the poor quality of the sound clip. *shrugs*
 
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noloudnesswar

Audiophyte
What do you guys think of this? You go out to buy remastered copies of Ozzy's first two solo albums and something isn't quite right. Hmm. They haven't just been remastered, they've been re-rhythm sectioned!

The work done by the original bassist and drummer have been replaced! :eek: (There's a dispute on royalties not paid.)

Is this kosher? What do you think?

And honestly, how do they do that? I don't understand the recording process at all. How can you take out individual instruments from a recording like that and replace them?

the process of that is quite simple to do, as is any kind of musical fakery and trickery in these days of protools, autotune and so forth....

When they initially recorded the albums, they recorded Multitrack masters on a 24 track tape machine. the drum kit gets appx. 6 of those tracks, the bass usually gets 2, the guitar gets 4 for rhythm, 2 for lead,2 for keyboards and the rest for special effects and vocals.
At that point, that 24 track tape is mixed down to a 4 track "master" that is then sent to the Mastering Lab where final editing, processing and filtering happens. What comes out of the Mastering Lab is a 2 track (left and right stereo) mix of the original tape. What was done by the Osbournes in this case is an absolute abortion.
They took the original 24 track masters and fed those into pro-tools. each track getting the same track assignment in the digital environment. Any individual track can then be heard by itself, or in reference to any other by manipulating the faders on the mixer. At that point, you can make a track that is JUST the drums and bass for a drummer and bassist to learn. At that point the new musicians come into the studio either together or separately and re-record the parts note for note and beat for beat in place of the originals. At that point more trickery must be used in the form of amp simulators etc. to replicate the tones and nuances of the original instruments. Then, once they are done with that, they mix it, remaster it and release the newly modified cd on an unsuspecting public. In this case they further added insult to this by modifying Randy Rhoads guitar tone to add dynamics and frequencies that werent there originally to satiate the bass heavy preferences of today. This ultimately adds up to misrepresentation on behalf of the osbournes, and a little bit of false advertising in the process.
I heard the remastered stuff on the radio and I knew the difference immediately and have lost a LOT of respect for Sharon Osbourne for thinking this was a good idea. Essentially, they stripped half the soul out of the recordings and replaced it with artificial music.

The other problem, and this is really the bigger problem really, is that they dont really tell the public that they arent buying the original recordings. essentially what you get is a karaoke recording.

For any recording industry people that may read this forum please read closely:

-6 DB is as loud as it needs to be. your killing the dynamics of recording by brick wall mixing. less compression is better. Dont mix for IPODS. Mix for clarity, punch sonic dynamics, let the listener determine how loud the volume should be.
 
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noloudnesswar

Audiophyte
I'm not sure they did it for the Essential Ozzy. I believe this is for a remastered re-release of the original two albums. I tried to listen to some song "samples" on Amazon, but it's hard to tell. I couldn't tell if the bass sounded muddy compared to the original or if it was just the poor quality of the sound clip. *shrugs*
the bass indeed sounds a lot different in a true cd to cd comparison. they also modified randys tone slightly to give it more low end rumble.

disgrace.
 
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soulgolem

Audiophyte
A lot of people are obsessed with perfection nowadays, while I feel that sometimes an unpolished product sounds best.
 
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soulgolem

Audiophyte
also, in the end, it's not the recording technique or quality or style that makes the music transcend time, but the music itself, I still listen to old, out of tune scratchy vinyl music from time to time, once the song becomes a memory, it doesn't matter how it sounded initially. my two cents.

Francis.
 
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SongJohn

Audioholic Intern
I'm glad I found this thread.
Back in 1997 when I was 11 I purchased Diary of a Madman (1981).
I grew to appreciate the drums and bass as well as the singing and guitaring. I even visited Randy Rhodes grave site in San barnardino in '99!

Those original masters were amazing ....I met a friend in '97 who inherited his father's record collection. We listened to Diary of a madman on the original vinyl pressing....the hidden "messages" printed inside of the record sleeve decoded by pencil by my friends father added to the event.

Then in 2006, a friend visited me in upstate NY and I went rifling through his CDs. I found "diary" and lit up...it had been years since I heard this!
I put it in the player and almost puked myself.

It was the new re-recorded version. Ouch! The new drums sound TERRIBLE. They didn't even try to match the tone. Maybe if the guy used '70s drums tuned the way Kerslake had em and they pulled out the same 24 track machine and mixing board they originally used it would sound faithful and passable.....obviously the osbours could make this happen.

But why do that? They're money grubbing whores. ...just like they probably were in 1981. I probably would have hated this stuff if I was alive in '81.
 

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