Outlaw 2200 M-Block & SVS CS-Ultra

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Rik

Audioholic
Does anybody know if these two products will work well together when used with my Denon 3805?
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
I'd want a hell of a lot more power than 300w into 4 ohms for a CS-Ultra. You should be looking at beefy pro amps (like a Crown, Behringer or Mackie) to power that monster. If you have a place that you can stash your amp that's out of the room, a Behringer Europower EP2500 will crank out all the power you want, but just be aware that it has fans.
 
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Rik

Audioholic
Behringer Europower EP2500... That's kinda like killing a butterfly with a hammer (a very big hammer) ain't it? :D How much wattage do you really need to insure that the CS-Ultra has a strong "lively" sound. The PC-Ultra comes with 525, but I always see post by people saying they are running them at 1/4 to 1/3 gain settings.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
then get the ep1500 for a smaller hammer. its your money.
if you want a rubber mallet. the behringer a500.

the outlaw is good enough to use as audio-phile quality amp for speakers, to use it as a subwoofer amp would be a waste. (not to mention possibly insufficient)
 
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Rik

Audioholic
is the following true? i found this while poking around the SVS site:

Most importantly, from a sonic standpoint, is significantly greater internal enclosure volume than most other subs (yet still in a well proportioned cylinder). This allows us to make our products tremendously efficient. Some subs require equalization to run strong down low, often about 6dBs below 30Hz, sometimes many times more than that! There is nothing wrong with this approach to producing good bass, but it does significantly cut effective amp power. Each 3dB boost of broad-band bass roughly halves the effective power of any given amp. So with a 6dB boost down low, a 500-watt amp acts very much like a 125-watt amp. If you are starting with a 150 watt amp? Well, you can do the math. This explains why many commercial subs need megawatts to perform well. Again, our subs run very flat to their tuning points with no equalization, (though it can be added if you want to tweak your SVS's too). In short, if you use a 300-watt amp with a CS sub you get 300 watts used, with no power spent in an effort to flatten or lower the response of the sub. Looking at this another way, if you own a sub using this much equalization you must push its driver with a full 500 watts of power (with the accompanying heat and stress on both driver and amp) to equal 125 watts with an SVS design. Needless to say 125-watt amps are relatively inexpensive and plentiful compared to 500 watt ones. And to a limited degree, the more clean power an amp can deliver the greater the bass impact. As little as 100 watts with any of our SVS CS "passive" subwoofers will drive most folks out of a room if you're so inclined! No wonder our 300 watt-ish PCi subs blow HT critics away with so "little" power.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
SVS knows their subs better than anyone else, so you can bet it is true. The Plus line runs a 525w BASH amp. You will need something at least as good as that to drive an Ultra.

You could always just buy a plate amp and use that. They have the controls built in that are intended to be used with a sub - x-over (if needed), phase, possibly a subsonic filter, and they are INTENDED to drive a sub. The only issue might be finding a place to put it because they aren't exactly designed to sit in a rack... A subsonic filter or rumble filter, will help keep you from bottoming the sub - a real possibility if you get a big amp.

I tried out one of my monoblocks with my Tempest - not great. When I fired it up with the plate amp (350W) big difference.
 
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Reorx

Full Audioholic
Personally,
I'd just go to ebay,
"Musical Instruments> Pro Audio> Power Amplifiers" section, and look for a amp that is 1000W+ at 4ohms bridged. You should be able to buy 1 cheap, with a little bit of a warranty.
This will provide plenty of power, for cheap.

lol, I just had to bid on 1.

Reorx
 
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Rik

Audioholic
Sheep said:
Heres an Idea.

EMAIL SVS!

:)
SheepStar
heh... called em, they said check out qsc or samson because they have personal experience with those brands and they KNOW they will work.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Rik said:
heh... called em, they said check out qsc or samson because they have personal experience with those brands and they KNOW they will work.
There ya go, problem solved.

SheepStar
 
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