Optimal video hookup for new A/V system

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Ferrara

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Thanks to a large legal settlement on my behalf, I'm moving up to a great new stereo system (Rega Brio amp, Rega DAC-R and Spendor A6R speakers). Additionally I'm purchasing an OPPO UDP-205, Samsung NU7100 4K UHD TV and replacing my old Dell Inspiron PC with a new Dell XPS.

I know how to connect the audio sources (PC and OPPO) to my amp but given the wealth of connection options available with the OPPO https://oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-205/images/UDP-205-back-hr.jpg I'm not sure about the optimal signal flow and hookup to use for the video. The TV has 3 or 4 HDMI ports so my first thought was to run the PC HDMI to TV HDMI and run the main HDMI out from the OPPO to another HDMI port on the TV. But would I get better results if I instead connect the PC HDMI to OPPO HDMI input and thereby have both disc and PC video sources running thru the OPPO? Or is there another alternate selection that would be preferable?

I am planning to run a USB cable from the PC into the DAC which feeds the amp, for listening to music from my PC. Is there a better way of doing that? The OPPO has USB ports but my PC has a limited number of USB ports which may not allow me a spare one to use. Given my ignorance of these matters I am counting on your kind advice to figure this out, so I can then go about purchasing all the proper and necessary cables. Thank you.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks to a large legal settlement on my behalf, I'm moving up to a great new stereo system (Rega Brio amp, Rega DAC-R and Spendor A6R speakers). Additionally I'm purchasing an OPPO UDP-205, Samsung NU7100 4K UHD TV and replacing my old Dell Inspiron PC with a new Dell XPS.

I know how to connect the audio sources (PC and OPPO) to my amp but given the wealth of connection options available with the OPPO https://oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-205/images/UDP-205-back-hr.jpg I'm not sure about the optimal signal flow and hookup to use for the video. The TV has 3 or 4 HDMI ports so my first thought was to run the PC HDMI to TV HDMI and run the main HDMI out from the OPPO to another HDMI port on the TV. But would I get better results if I instead connect the PC HDMI to OPPO HDMI input and thereby have both disc and PC video sources running thru the OPPO? Or is there another alternate selection that would be preferable?

I am planning to run a USB cable from the PC into the DAC which feeds the amp, for listening to music from my PC. Is there a better way of doing that? The OPPO has USB ports but my PC has a limited number of USB ports which may not allow me a spare one to use. Given my ignorance of these matters I am counting on your kind advice to figure this out, so I can then go about purchasing all the proper and necessary cables. Thank you.
HDMI is the best video connection and audio. Go peripherals to receiver and one HDMI out to the TV.

If you need more USB connections, just buy a USB hub. They are cheap and work well.
 
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Ferrara

Enthusiast
Thanks for the reply. So I am still not clear on how to apply your advice. Do I do what I wrote, which is to connect Dell PC HDMI port to OPPO disc player HDMI input port and then OPPO main HDMI to TV, rather than hooking PC and OPPO to separate HDMI ports on the TV? Thinking that the OPPO's internal circuitry would do a better job of handling the computer video stream than the Dell's onboard video card, is that right?

My amp only has unbalanced L-R RCA inputs http://www.rega.co.uk/brio-2017.html but the DAC which will connect to PC via USB port also has jacks for coaxial and optical digital inputs http://www.rega.co.uk/dac-r-1.html if those connectors are of any use to me given the gear I'm using (instead of using the stereo RCA outs to feed the amp I could use one of the digital outs into the DAC, using that as the sole audio source for the amp. Is there any advantage to doing that? Am I making sense? So many connection options here, I just want to know I'm choosing the optimal signal flow.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks for the reply. So I am still not clear on how to apply your advice. Do I do what I wrote, which is to connect Dell PC HDMI port to OPPO disc player HDMI input port and then OPPO main HDMI to TV, rather than hooking PC and OPPO to separate HDMI ports on the TV? Thinking that the OPPO's internal circuitry would do a better job of handling the computer video stream than the Dell's onboard video card, is that right?

My amp only has unbalanced L-R RCA inputs http://www.rega.co.uk/brio-2017.html but the DAC which will connect to PC via USB port also has jacks for coaxial and optical digital inputs http://www.rega.co.uk/dac-r-1.html if those connectors are of any use to me given the gear I'm using (instead of using the stereo RCA outs to feed the amp I could use one of the digital outs into the DAC, using that as the sole audio source for the amp. Is there any advantage to doing that? Am I making sense? So many connection options here, I just want to know I'm choosing the optimal signal flow.
I just did a quick reply this morning.

Honestly you are going about this totally wrong. That is your problem. You equipment selection is going to make an unhandy awkward dogs dinner of an installation.

This is an AV installation so that Rega gear is NOT the right equipment to build it round.

You need an AV receiver plus external amps, or better an AV pre/pro and external power amp.

Next Oppo is out of business. The units are already in short supply. I would suggest the Cambridge units as the best alternative.

So what you need is all your peripherals connected to the receiver or pre/pro and then just one HDMI cable to the TV. Getting audio back from the TV is a distant second best. Just set it up so the TV is an end device.

You have made a good speaker choice, but for AV those speakers will need a sub unless you play it very quietly. Even regular TV pushes a lot of bass effects through now.

Further advice will depend on which country you live in.
 
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Ferrara

Enthusiast
I get what you're saying. Indeed, I decided to get a new stereo system and then I decided to get a new TV and universal disc player, instead of starting off selecting and integrated system to deal with all A/V sources. My bad. And I guess you're right about the subwoofer too, and that the Rega amp does not accommodate that option.

Looks like I need to rethink this whole thing. Thanks for the advice.
 
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pewternhrata

Audioholic Chief
If your just doing 2 channel audio, I would connect the oppo and pc to the tv. Not the pc to oppo.
 
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Ferrara

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Does anyone even make a good 2-channel A/V receiver? Just glancing on Amazon it seems that everything is 5 or 7-channel now. I honestly don't want a surround setup. The primary idea to begin with was something to listen to music on. I thought that I could simply (if not optimally) use the stereo system to handle the audio signal of whatever video I'm watching, be it streamed movies from my PC or DVD/Blu-ray discs off of my player. That is how I've done things up to now, simply hooking the audio out jack of my PC to one input of my old Harman Kardon stereo receiver, my Toshiba DVD player to another audio input, and then both PC and DVD player going into separate video inputs of the TV. My current system does have a subwoofer in this case.

But music and sound are what's important to me here. That's why I'm planning to spend $5000 on a pair of speakers and $500 on a mid-sized TV. I'm not really a home theater enthusiast, but I do like to stream a Netflix movie or watch a Blu-ray or DVD from time to time, of course.

If you want to point me to a basic tutorial on A/V components then maybe I should start there rather than waste your time explaining all the basic info to me. I get further confused when I start trying to wrap my head around Smart TV, wifi hookup, and all the other technological features that seem to be standard on today's equipment.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I get what you're saying. Indeed, I decided to get a new stereo system and then I decided to get a new TV and universal disc player, instead of starting off selecting and integrated system to deal with all A/V sources. My bad. And I guess you're right about the subwoofer too, and that the Rega amp does not accommodate that option.

Looks like I need to rethink this whole thing. Thanks for the advice.
I think you have old think. What I find is that once people get a good TV as part of their system they use the screen and audio much more than they think. A lot of really good music comes with a picture now.

Now I agree there is not good choice for two channel AV equipment. That does not mean you have to use it five or seven channel mode. It is just that way for economy of scale.

However I don't know your particular speakers, I just know I have not heard a Spendor speaker I don't like. What I don't know is how well they will support an AV system without a center channel. In general I find good speakers will perform in most rooms OK without a center channel, but not always. So an AV pre/pro or receiver would give you that option. In a system of that quality I would recommend a Marantz pre/pro or the Denon professional pre/pro which is good value and devoid of bloat.

Lastly you can not get the highest quality audio back out of a TV but only the lossy codecs..

I hope this clarifies your thoughts.
 
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Ferrara

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Lastly you can not get the highest quality audio back out of a TV but only the lossy codecs.
I am not planning to listen to audio from the TV. Not getting cable. Only TV I watch is what is online from my computer which will be running audio out of a USB port into the Rega DAC. That is my understanding of how it works, anyway. I chose to buy the DAC on the advice of the salesman who told me it would give me much better sound listening to music files from my PC which is where most of my music library is stored now. So that USB cable would be carrying the audio portion of any video files I am playing, wouldn't it?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I am not planning to listen to audio from the TV. Not getting cable. Only TV I watch is what is online from my computer which will be running audio out of a USB port into the Rega DAC. That is my understanding of how it works, anyway. I chose to buy the DAC on the advice of the salesman who told me it would give me much better sound listening to music files from my PC which is where most of my music library is stored now. So that USB cable would be carrying the audio portion of any video files I am playing, wouldn't it?
Yes, it will, though you may well have audio and video out of synchronization. This issue is that like a lot, you will find that you start watching to a lot more V with A than you think now. There is so much good stuff out there to be captured. So making the PC an HTPC rather than just a PC is a really good worthwhile move. I use my HTPC more than any other peripheral now. I'm just afraid this rig will end up being more limiting than you think. I suspect like the rest of us you will have mission creep, once you learn how much pleasure a good AV rig can bring even in two channel.
Really good audio with the V is the key, and the number above 2 the least important, although the center can have advantages and easily added if you have a multi channel system.
 
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Ferrara

Enthusiast
Yes, it will, though you may well have audio and video out of synchronization.
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I can see how that could be an issue with the DAC processing the audio independently via USB and the video running to the TV via HDMI. So what if I ran the HDMI from PC into the OPPO which then sends the video to TV via HDMI and the audio to the amp via analog stereo outs, would that address this possibility of audio-video sync?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
pp

I can see how that could be an issue with the DAC processing the audio independently via USB and the video running to the TV via HDMI. So what if I ran the HDMI from PC into the OPPO which then sends the video to TV via HDMI and the audio to the amp via analog stereo outs, would that address this possibility of audio-video sync?
I think that might be worse, as the analog outs will have less latency I suspect.

I really can stress enough that the system you propose is a cobbled together. I know you want a classy system and that is why I'm giving you these warnings.

If it were me I would be using a pre pro and a good amp. I would need bass management as I fear with modern media you might well damage that single bass driver in the Spendors easier then you imagine.
 
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Ferrara

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I think that might be worse, as the analog outs will have less latency I suspect.

I really can stress enough that the system you propose is a cobbled together. I know you want a classy system and that is why I'm giving you these warnings.

If it were me I would be using a pre pro and a good amp. I would need bass management as I fear with modern media you might well damage that single bass driver in the Spendors easier then you imagine.
I appreciate your patience with advising me on these matters. Yes, I kind of got my mind set on the gear I selected and am having difficulty rethinking it all from the ground up. I really want to simplify my system and I am wondering whether the pre pro you're insisting on is going to be able to give me as good sound as the Rega units and how much more I am going to have to spend. I am so clueless I don't even really know what a pre pro is (preamp/processor, I get what you're saying). Honestly I was originally planning to buy three things: an amp, a disc player and a pair of good speaker. Then the dealer sold me on the idea of a dedicated DAC. So now instead I am needing a pre/pro + amp + additional center speaker and subwoofer.

Please point me to some links of the appropriate components you'd advise to pair well with a $4500 pair of Spendor speakers (or recommend different speakers if that's what you think). How much should I spend on the things you're suggesting (sub, pre/pro, amp)? You mentioned Denon and Marantz, please give me some models to consider.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Well speakers are always the most difficult choice. I assume that you have had a chance to audition the Spendors. If that is so, then I assume you feel you would be happy with them long term. Speakers are actually the first thing to pick out. If you like them I'm not going to second guess your choice. Spendor is one of those great companies founded by engineers that were part of extensive speaker research done at the BBC. So those speakers have a good pedigree.

As I have said, I feel strongly now that when putting together a new system, there are pressing reasons to have the audio and video joined at the hip so to speak.

Now you seem to have picked out a 4K TV. I assume as with the speakers that you are happy with the screen you chose.

Now as with audio before, the chain is best with peripherals to preamp to TV and power amp to speakers. Or the preamp and power amp can be in the same box in which case you have a receiver. The higher end receivers also have pre out outputs from the preamp stage so that you can use external amplification. Really what is best is to have the audio and video processing done in the same unit.

Now those speakers you have picked out will be an easy drive, so I don't think you would absolutely need external amplification to start with.

So I think this unit would fit the bill for you.

I think from a cost effective point of view a receiver will do what you want. That will be the simplest solution and easiest to use.

That unit has preouts, so if you feel the need for higher quality power amplification that it is very easy to incorporate. If you feel the need for clearer and focused dialog then it is easy to add a center channel.

Now the audio quality in the preamp and processor stage will be at least as good as the Rega units you picked out, and the power amps almost certainly better.

Now the computer I'm not certain as to your needs. You have picked out a laptop as I suppose you want to use it on the move. However the best Dell units are there Latitude series.

In my view it is not optimal to mix work and pleasure when it comes to PCs. For AV systems I recommend and use PCs built round the integrated Intel Ivybridge i5 processor. Again this keeps audio and video bound at the hip. You don't need a screen as your TV is the screen and your PC connects to the receiver via HDMI.

The Intel NUC i5 has a lot to recommend it. You have to add what RAM and SSD you want and buy Windows 10.

With Oppo gear becoming unavailable Cambridge Audio have a similar unit.

Now with modern media that can have significant lower bass content then a sub is something you should consider. I would look at the SVS, HSU and Rhythmic sites for a start. Your receiver has bass management so integrating a sub should be no problem.

So I have done my best to rough out a system that should be straight forward to use and be capable of expansion, especially in terms of being able to input a wide range of peripherals like an over air DVR or other streaming devices. However a unit like that NUC will basically allow you to pull in pretty much any stream out there.

Although this system might seem complex, it will actually in practice be much simpler in day to day use. Especially it will keep AV bound and you should not run into latency issues between audio and video.

If you want to completely separate the pre and power sections then you would need and AV preamp and and external power amp. This is the highest road, but in view of your speaker choice using and AV receiver will be more cost effective and simpler to set up. In addition when all is said and done you want to maximize both your audio and video experience, especially considering your investment in both.

I'm leaving for the airport early tomorrow as my wife and I are embarking on a two week tour of the Canadian Maritime Provinces which we are really looking forward to. So I will not be in touch until we get to Halifax NS tomorrow evening.

Good luck.
 
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Leemix

Audioholic General
pp

I can see how that could be an issue with the DAC processing the audio independently via USB and the video running to the TV via HDMI. So what if I ran the HDMI from PC into the OPPO which then sends the video to TV via HDMI and the audio to the amp via analog stereo outs, would that address this possibility of audio-video sync?
Oppo players have good and easy to use sync options. A receiver doesnt guarantee perfect sync. Im not familiar with rega, but 2ch separates can sound better for music then receivers.

Edit: the Oppo 205 has a very capable DAC so a separate one might not be much value for the money.


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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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Oppo players have good and easy to use sync options. A receiver doesnt guarantee perfect sync. Im not familiar with rega, but 2ch separates can sound better for music then receivers.

Edit: the Oppo 205 has a very capable DAC so a separate one might not be much value for the money.


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May be a bottom end receiver, but not the higher end ones. That Rega is less powerful than the receiver I linked.

Receivers and pre/pros these days to not have trouble with sync. and do it automatically. Never ha a sync. issue with any of my three Marantz pre/pros.
 
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Leemix

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May be a bottom end receiver, but not the higher end ones. That Rega is less powerful than the receiver I linked.

Receivers and pre/pros these days to not have trouble with sync. and do it automatically. Never ha a sync. issue with any of my three Marantz pre/pros.
Checked out the rega and i agree, mid level marantz/denon will be more powerful. I have to tweak the sync on my marantz av8805 every now and then for a program/movie


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