Op-Ed on the war in general

[Biscokid]

Here is a bit from a Tom Friedman Op-ed article

What should really worry the country is not whether the Democrats are being dragged to the left by antiwar activists who haven't thought a whit about the larger struggle we're in. What should worry the country is that the Bush team and the Republican Party, which control all the levers of power and claim to have thought only about this larger struggle, are in total denial about where their strategy has led.

I agree!!

 

[JVC]

I'm not going to get into a debate with anyone over this, but I want to say this. My wife and I are registered democrats. We only registered that way, to help weed out the worst of the bad, before the actual elections. The only democrats I ever voted for was Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton's second term (because I didn't want Dole either, and we at least knew what we had with Clinton). I don't see myself voting democrat again anytime soon.

I think the current administration is doing as well as it can, considering what it's up against. A democrat president, at this point won't do any better!

As far as the war............ something had to be done. The rest of the planet expects us to do everything, so we did. At least, this time we had someone on our side (England). I hope they don't bring the soldiers home for good. I would much rather they fight over there, instead of in my back yard! They finally found a few weapons of mass destruction, a little while back, but they were old. Still weapons though. It took so long to find any because we gave them ten months notice, that we were coming. Plenty of time for them to stash them in neighboring countries, or buried deep in the desert. That was our biggest mistake.........giving them notice. We should have just gone!

I'm so tired of hearing all the whining and crying, over this war. There is no draft anymore, so the soldiers that are there, wanted to be soldiers. They knew going in, there's always a chance of going to war, and they still joined. Did enlistment stop, when the war started? No! There are good Americans wanting to go over there and fight, for the cause. They also would rather fight there, than here.

If the whining and crying, bleeding heart liberal democrats, would join in and try to help the administration, instead of constantly fighting it, we might be able to get a lot more done, to the satisfaction of everybody! Afterall, we're fighting for everybody in our country, as well as other countries. We're not just fighting for the republican people! Get over it people, and help out!
All I'm saying on the subject..................

 

[Biscokid]

If the whining and crying, bleeding heart liberal democrats, would join in and try to help the administration, instead of constantly fighting it, we might be able to get a lot more done

Why on earth would you expect them to help when they are fundementally against what the republicans stand for? Also this article and the tone it was written has nothing to do with "bleeding hearts" Friedman was a well known supporter of the war. So using such terms does nothing for your argument.

 

[JoeE SP9]

We are still involved in a war in Iraq that George Bush started with no real reason. I seriously doubt any Democrats would have started this war. The only ones gaining any benefit are the stockholders of Haliburton **** Chaney's company.

Prior to his first election dubya said he was going to get Saddam. We are now all paying the price for that.

 

[Mort Corey]

Interesting take here on war in general....by one who probably was pretty well informed. http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Mort

 

[JVC]

Why on earth would you expect them to help when they are fundementally against what the republicans stand for? Also this article and the tone it was written has nothing to do with "bleeding hearts" Friedman was a well known supporter of the war. So using such terms does nothing for your argument.

Ok, sorry. I thought you wanted comments on what we thought of the war. I wasn't really responding to the article you posted.

 

[Biscokid]

If someone post an article in a disscussion fourm usually the disscission that follows is about the article. Maybe I am confused

 

[JVC]

[Edit: Uh, maybe an excerpt and link (plus some actual commentary or original thoughts) would be better than reprinting without permission. Thanks. - Admin]

Kinda looks like the admin also thought there was supposed to be some original thoughts on the subject.

If someone post an article in a disscussion fourm usually the disscission that follows is about the article. Maybe I am confused

I guess one of us is confused. I thought you post your feelings on the same subject as the article. The article is one person's take on the subject, and is paving the way, for other people's take on the subject.
Oh well..............

 

[Biscokid]

Kinda looks like the admin also thought there was supposed to be some original thoughts on the subject.

Kinda looks to me that the admins are bias.

 

[Audioholics]

Kinda looks to me that the admins are bias.

No, it looks like you like to violate reprint rights rules articles and drop 'troll bombs' without any commentary. We are cutting back on the amount of troll posts. If you don't post an actual thought along with an article reference we're likely going to delete it.

You don't need to justify yourself further, just follow the rules if you don't want posts deleted. Or, feel free to continue your critiques on another forum.

[Edit: You're right, it's not plagiarism as I don't think you intended it as your own. - Admin]

 

[Biscokid]

Thats all fine. I am sorry I posted the whole article but it was not plagiarism. It may have been copyright infringment but again it was stupid.

Also please define a though. Is this ok?

Anyway in all honesty I was not trying to "Drop Troll Bombs" with this one. The article was a very good commentary on the state of things and I wanted to sare it. It was not outrageous of offensive. I mainly wanted to discuss the fact that the current administration needs to admit there have been errors made. I don't care if no admin has or will but I think they should. This is not a left right argument it is a critisim of the people in power period. I don't care if the "bleeding hearts" would do no better becaue that is irrellevent.

 

[badboodah]

They finally found a few weapons of mass destruction, a little while back, but they were old. Still weapons though.

The ones we gave Saddam 20 years ago, because he was a secular Sunni fighting off the spread of radical fundamentalist Iran? Right around the time Rumsfeld had his picture taken with Saddam because Saddam was our guy fighting against Iran (like the Taliban were our guys fighting Russia, so we gave them the weapons, training, and Tora Bora caves)? Washington probably still has receipts for these "WMDs", although rusted out shells aren't really WMDs anymore.

The whole thing from the get-go was about regime change in Iraq. They planned on going in even before Bush became President. All they needed was to get the public behind it.

 

[badboodah]

BiscoKid,

You might enjoy this book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159420103X/sr=8-1/qid=1156203793/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1649539-9127821?ie=UTF8

There's a video interview with the author on that page, too. The author was also on the Daily Show last week.

 

[highfihoney]

Let none of us forget what weapons iraq would have had if it weren't for israel having the balls to send in f-16's to destroy sadams nuclear reactor before it was too late,a big thumbs up for israel

As with quite a few other countries in that region sadams quest for bigger & more destructive weapons was never ending,who cares what we found the whole point is what we stopped from happening in the future.

 

[billy p]

I'm all for dis-arming IRAQ. However knowing what we know now and the state of their country I just shake my head. More people have died and are still dying, each and every day due to this conflict, then before Saddam. It's primitive!!

 

[Matt34]

There are times I think to myself why we thought we could change a society that has, for hunderds of years, fought each other.

It's really all these people know how to do. I'm here to say, we are here for the long haul if we want to see this through.

 

[warhummer]

Thre is some wisdom there....

People act surprised that the Sunni and Shiites are killing each other in Iraq and somehow we started it. This schism in Islam started the fighting and it has been going on for a thousand years. Look at the Lebanese civil war (power struggle between the Sunni's, Maronites, Shiites, and Druze among others). This problem won't be solved anytime soon.

 

[billy p]

I'm all for dis-arming IRAQ. However knowing what we know now and the state of their country I just shake my head. More people have died and are still dying, each and every day due to this conflict, then before Saddam. It's primitive!!

Thanks for the read on Saddam!
I know I'm not the most well spoken member on this forum . I was aware of the mass graves and war crimes by Saddam? All I was tring to say it's no better now then before. I do understand his reign of terror and fear in that region will never be surpassed. Lets be honest though it's the same groups that are killing each other NOW!
As Matt34 who is there stated," fighting each other for hundreds of years" and I think will for hundreds more.