Onkyo TX-SR604 turns off at certain volume with PS3

[pistonsfan70]

While playing Rock Band the other night with some friend, my receiver would turn off around volume 54. Funny thing is, when the receiver is using the tv, the volume can go as loud as possible and not turn off.

Any ideas???

Thanks in advance,
Josh

 

[Midcow2]

Just an idea

While playing Rock Band the other night with some friend, my receiver would turn off around volume 54. Funny thing is, when the receiver is using the tv, the volume can go as loud as possible and not turn off.

Any ideas???

Thanks in advance,
Josh

The impendence of your speakers varies with frequency. The rock band could have lower frequencies which may be lowering the impedence of your speakers and hence increase the power load on your receiver to a dangerous level. What type of speakers do you have? They may have an average (around 90 dB) or a low sensitivitiy ( around 80dB) and just be power hungry.

The levels reading on different receivers vary. How loud is 54 ? ; loud, very loud, excuticating? Also if does the porblem change when you play differnet types of music ?

When you play the TV loud ? how much louder is it? Waht is you maximum setting? Is 54 close to the top volume anyway?

Just some questions tryinp to help solve your problem

 

[pistonsfan70]

The receiver can go all the way up to 99, so the 54 on Rock Band is quite low, especially if you want to hear yourself!

My setup is mainly Elemental Designs with the exception of the subwoofer..
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-635


2 of these
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=96

1 of these
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=616

and 2 of these
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=94


Your help thus far is appreciated!

 

[Midcow2]

Not sure why another red chicklet for this bit okay someone doesn't like me

The impendence of your speakers varies with frequency. The rock band could have lower frequencies which may be lowering the impedence of your speakers and hence increase the power load on your receiver to a dangerous level. What type of speakers do you have? They may have an average (around 90 dB) or a low sensitivitiy ( around 80dB) and just be power hungry.

The levels reading on different receivers vary. How loud is 54 ? ; loud, very loud, excuticating? Also if does the porblem change when you play differnet types of music ?

When you play the TV loud ? how much louder is it? Waht is you maximum setting? Is 54 close to the top volume anyway?

Just some questions tryinp to help solve your problem

Not sure why another red chicklet for this, but okay someone doesn't like me

 

[Midcow2]

Okay thanks for info - Pistonsfan70 - Maybe whisker short

The receiver can go all the way up to 99, so the 54 on Rock Band is quite low, especially if you want to hear yourself!

My setup is mainly Elemental Designs with the exception of the subwoofer..
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-635


2 of these
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=96

1 of these
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=616

and 2 of these
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=94


Your help thus far is appreciated!

Okay you are not at maximum volume; so clipping the AVR is not the problem!

one -Dayton SUB-120 12" 150 Watt Powered Subwoofer is fine!

two - A6 - 6T6 - Tower: 6 ohms, 9-.3 dB sensitivity ( a little above average) should not really be a problem.

one - A6 - 6T6 - MTM (center channel) 6 ohm, senstiivty89,6 dB should not be a problem.

two -A3 - 5TC - Bookshelf 6ohm 88.7 dB should not be a problem.

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You speakers are all about average sensitivity and all rated at a nominal impedance of 6 ohms. The should not be the cause of your problem


Did the problem happen after you moved or reconnected speakers and how are the speakers connected: bare wire? or banana plug/spade conenctor ?

You could possibly have a whisker wire short. This happens when a bare wire strand shorts out and is sometimes caused when first conencting speakers ofr when equipment is moved.

You might try disconnnecting all of your speakers and then carefully reconnecting them one at a time.


When you reconnect if nothing happens and you are able to reconenct all of your speakers, then great , it probably was a whisker short.

Another possibility, but less likely, is that you have a bad speaker.

Good luck !

I really was trying to help on the first post! Obviously someone didn't think so an gave me a negative reputation rating ( red chicklet), but oh well that is life ! (The red chicklet giver is probably a frustrated McDonald's supervisor or shift manager and wants to show me his awesome power over me ).

 

[markw]

The receiver can go all the way up to 99, so the 54 on Rock Band is quite low, especially if you want to hear yourself!

While those numbers may seem to leave you plenty of room to spare, they have little bearing at all om what the unit itself is actually putting out.

That depends on how strong the signal coming in is.

An amp can only put out so much power. Once it reaches that level, it triggers protective circuitry and shuts down. Most times it comes back on.

If the input signal is weak, you will have to turn it up to a high number to reach a the amp's maximum output. If no peaks go over the amp's rated output, all is well.

If the input signal is strong, you will can only turn it up to a lower number before reaching the amp's maximum output, and thereby triggering the protective circuitry. In this case, it doesn't take much to send the amp into it's protection mode.

Methinks the game puts outa fairly high voltage, at least at times, and sending the amp running for cover.

When jamming, one can get louder than they realize, particularly when everyone is trying to play louder thanthe next guy. Remember, you can't greate rock concert levels with tis sytem and if you're all rocking out, you just know you're eating up the watts.

 

[TLS Guy]

The receiver can go all the way up to 99, so the 54 on Rock Band is quite low, especially if you want to hear yourself!

My setup is mainly Elemental Designs with the exception of the subwoofer..
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-635


2 of these
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=96

1 of these
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=616

and 2 of these
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_42&products_id=94


Your help thus far is appreciated!

I think the problem is with those main floor standers. The specifications are meaningless. It states the nominal system resistance is 6 ohms. That means nothing and tells you nothing. However I see that the speaker has three mid/woofers. With an arrangement like that the impedance is inevitably bound to take a dive to four ohms and likely less at some point below 500 Hz.

Now the average energy required to play different program material varies enormously. It depends on the frequency balance of the sound, and above all on whether notes and cords are sustained. This is especially true on notes from the key board group of instruments in bands.

Clearly the combination of the program coupled with the impedance curve of those speakers was not to the liking of your Onkyo receiver, and the output overload went into play and shut the receiver down. Now if you continue to overload your receiver in this way, you will soon have output device failure and repair bills that could exceed the cost of replacement.

From the driver layout of your main speakers, I would feel that it is highly unlikely that those speakers are a suitable match for lower priced receivers. I would say that they are likely to result in premature failure of any device that can not comfortably handle four ohm loads or less, and provide significant current into those low impedance loads. That will exclude an awful lot of receivers.

Unfortunately speaker specs are frequently extremely poorly presented, and as in this case, a look at how the speaker is configured is likely to give more insight into what sort of load the speaker will present to the amplifier then he spec sheet.

 

[pistonsfan70]

So basically the receiver can't handle it?? It's not the speakers??

Thanks for the help!

 

[TLS Guy]

So basically the receiver can't handle it?? It's not the speakers??

Thanks for the help!

Basically, that is it. There is nothing wrong with either in terms of a failure, or anything serviceable. It is just not a match made in Heaven. The cut out is a warning of trouble to come, if you keep it up.

 

[pistonsfan70]

Thanks!!! Glad to hear it!

 

[Seth=L]

Not sure why another red chicklet for this, but okay someone doesn't like me

Sure seems as though someone has it out for you.

 

[Midcow2]

hey Pistonsfan70

So basically the receiver can't handle it?? It's not the speakers??

Thanks for the help!

I had a problem very similar to yours and it turned out to be a wisker short on my cetner speaker. TV worked fine most of the time. But when I palyed music at a higher levle my AVR would shut-off. I couldn't figure it out for a long time. i didn't think it was a pseker short becuase it worked at lower volumes and with the TV.

And you are welcome for the help!

 

[pistonsfan70]

I had a problem very similar to yours and it turned out to be a wisker short on my cetner speaker. TV worked fine most of the time. But when I palyed music at a higher levle my AVR would shut-off. I couldn't figure it out for a long time. i didn't think it was a pseker short becuase it worked at lower volumes and with the TV.

And you are welcome for the help!

How did you fix the short?? Sorry, I'm a n00b

 

[bandphan]

How did you fix the short?? Sorry, I'm a n00b

chech your spear wire connections to make sure there are no small/large threads of wire stray.(wisker hair)

 

[Midcow2]

All I can say is there are some really great people out here!

In spite of red chicklets, there are some really great people on this forum!

Thank you! Iwill remember you

I was out of town on business so some of my reputation points scrolled off ,sorry i didn't catch everything!