Onkyo TX-NR809, a simple review

panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
I recently jumped on the fantastic Amazon deal for the TX-NR809 and wanted to share my experience.

I sold A/V equipment a few years ago so I'd like to think I'm no HT newby. I've installed many a HT for customers, but most wanted cheap equipment with limited options. I myself was one of these people for many years due to budget. No money, no nice toys.

Well, that has changed and I've finally been able to purchase a receiver model that I've been eyeing since the 805 was released. I was torn between a comparable Denon model, but the deal on Amazon was too good to pass up.

So, coming from the Pioneer VSX-521K (which is great for the money) I'm VERY surprised at how much better this receiver actually sounds than the Pioneer. Before calibration there wasn't much of a difference in actual sound quality. I had quickly "calibrated" it with my trusty SPL meter and was met with results I'm used to. The Pioneer auto calibration did little to change what I had already accomplished with the SPL meter. The Audyssey MultEQ XT is pretty fantastic. My speakers have never sounded this good. Even in stereo with no sub the front soudstage is drastically opened up. I was surprised to find that it got my crossover frequencies spot on (I did change my mains from 40hz to full range). It audibly compensated for the loss of highs due to my AT screen. Everything is much more clear now. It was good before, but this is a noticeable improvement.

Once thing I've always wanted to accomplish, but have never been able to was have the soundfield be totally open. What I mean by that is that the listener would be able to hear sound (obviously), but not be able to tell where it was coming from. Before with my cheaper AVR's you could always tell that sound was coming from the side or surround back speakers. Now it is just there, and this is with a mish mash of unmatched speakers from previous HTIB speakers and my large Pioneer mains and two Cambridge Soundworks speakers from an old Creative computer speaker system (great speakers BTW). I would not have believed that was possible with those speakers had I not heard it myself.

In my process of listening to different sound modes I've found that many of the "THX" modes don't do a whole lot that can't be accomplished with PLIIx. The game mode is pretty cool, but I don't notice much of a difference from regular Dolby Digital and THX Select2 Cinema. I know it adds surround back like PLIIx and NEO:6, but those aren't the most heard speakers so it's hard to notice the change. I'm going to play around a bit more, but I seem to prefer the untouched bitstream.

I will say that Dynamic EQ is pretty fantastic. I really like that you get all the surround and LFE from the soundtrack at low volume. My parents wanted to watch the new Total Recall (pretty good, nothing like the original) and I was kind of leery because it was late and my grandparents had already gone to bed, but it still sounded amazing, and the LFE was reproduced at low volume like I've never heard it before. Usually I turn the volume down and get no LFE or so little it's pointless. I'm really liking what Audyssey has done for my system. I can't wait to see what happens when I hook up decent speakers to this thing.
 
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TLCW

Audiophyte
I am also considering Onkyo among Denon, Yamaha and Pioneer. I like to hear more on the Sound Quality say, on Movies and Concert videos for 809. 135 WPC is also fit my need,
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
I am also considering Onkyo among Denon, Yamaha and Pioneer. I like to hear more on the Sound Quality say, on Movies and Concert videos for 809. 135 WPC is also fit my need,
Movies sound good. A good receiver should be able to reproduce anything well. 2ch music, movies, tv, concerts should all sound great as long as everything is set up properly. I have a couple of concert blu-rays I haven't tried yet. I'll let you know.
 
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Ground Beef

Enthusiast
Hi, I'm debating between the 809 and the 818...currently, there is a $300+ gap between the two models...I can't exactly pinpoint what the huge difference is between the 809 and 818...certainly not $300 worth of difference. They both use Audyssey MultEQ XT, correct? I'm guessing some of the innards are different...help me choose correctly...
 
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templemaners

Senior Audioholic
They both use Audyssey MultEQ XT, correct? I'm guessing some of the innards are different...help me choose correctly...
That is incorrect. The 809 uses Audyssey XT, while the 818 uses Audyssey XT32, which is the next step up in Audyssey room correction. If I was buying, I'd pay up the extra $300 for the better room correction, but I like that sort of thing (others don't care for RC software).
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
The difference is that the 809 is previous gen. The 818 adds,

XT32
Audyssey DSX
Powered Zone 3
MHL
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
809 has DSX. I would have gotten the 818, but I want subEQ as well as xt32 so I'll grab a model that has both when the time comes.
 
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Ground Beef

Enthusiast
Thanks for the input. I did a little research and it appears that the XT32 is a LOT better as far as filter resolution goes compared to the XT:

MultEQ Comparison Chart
Features MultEQ XT32 MultEQ XT MultEQ 2EQ
Filter resolution (satellites) 512x 16x 2x x
Filter resolution (subwoofer) 512x 128x 128x N/A
Number of Measurement Positions 8* 8* 6 3
Adaptive Low Frequency Correction Yes Yes Yes N/A
Crossover, Polarity, Delays, Levels Yes Yes Yes Yes

However, I currently use MCACC with my 5+y.o. Pioneer receiver, the MultEQ XT has to blow that out of the water? Any opinions? Thanks.

I have my 'Home Theater' in a very large open space about 22x19 with 24ft. ceilings. My listening position is approx 15 ft away from the monitor. I'm running a B&W 5.1 with DM603 S2 as my fronts, CC6 as my center, DS6 as my rear surrounds and ASW CM sub. I'm guessing with this rough description the Audyssey would do a better job of room correction than the MCACC?
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
I only have experience with the lowest end MCACC so I don't know if yours is similar, better, or worse. I've read that the higher end MCACC seems to be pretty good. I always test the auto calibration against what my spl meter reads, so I'd advise to do the same.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
Comfirmed that on the Onkyo page for the 809. Funny the Amazon page has no mention of it.
That is odd. I couldn't find it either. Glad I got it when I did. It's back up to $765. I'd go for the 818 at that price also. One seller on amazon has it for $750. I'd make sure it's new though (even though it says it is).
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
That is odd. I couldn't find it either. Glad I got it when I did. It's back up to $765. I'd go for the 818 at that price also. One seller on amazon has it for $750. I'd make sure it's new though (even though it says it is).
It is up to $803 now... I suspect the price will fluctuate based on availability, until stock is exhausted. Anyone buying now might as well get the 818 over the 809.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I have my 'Home Theater' in a very large open space about 22x19 with 24ft. ceilings. My listening position is approx 15 ft away from the monitor. I'm running a B&W 5.1 with DM603 S2 as my fronts, CC6 as my center, DS6 as my rear surrounds and ASW CM sub. I'm guessing with this rough description the Audyssey would do a better job of room correction than the MCACC?
I think you are right, if you have an "optimally" sized/shaped room, Audyssey probably wouldn't do much for you except for the low frequencies, otherwise XT32 is the way to go. I have the XT version and while it does a good enough job with my subwoofers I wish it could do better.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
I agree. Didn't do all that much when it comes to flattening out response of my subs. Huge dip at 80hz. That's why the next one I get will have Sub EQ. I am going to get a PEQ for my subs so I may not need it, but I still want it. :D
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I agree. Didn't do all that much when it comes to flattening out response of my subs. Huge dip at 80hz. That's why the next one I get will have Sub EQ. I am going to get a PEQ for my subs so I may not need it, but I still want it. :D
It does flatten the curve for me with the exceptions of a couple of dips, a big one and a smaller one. It could be a problem (or at least partly) with the tone I used though.
 
ahblaza

ahblaza

Audioholic Field Marshall
It is up to $803 now... I suspect the price will fluctuate based on availability, until stock is exhausted. Anyone buying now might as well get the 818 over the 809.
I posted The Amazon Gold Box Deal of the day last week, I hope someone took advantage of it, they had the 818 for $487 delivered:eek:
 
ahblaza

ahblaza

Audioholic Field Marshall
I agree. Didn't do all that much when it comes to flattening out response of my subs. Huge dip at 80hz. That's why the next one I get will have Sub EQ. I am going to get a PEQ for my subs so I may not need it, but I still want it. :D
I'm contemplating a sub PEQ myself, I think myself and subs deserve it:D Hey Pant, when you get those new "decent speakers (mains), run XT, then disengage:D Had the 818 in my cart as I assumed XT32 included sub EQ, would have been a costly mistake.:)
Cheers Jeff
 
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Ground Beef

Enthusiast
I'm kicking myself for not pulling the trigger earlier. I had my shopping cart full of stuff, and was just about to click "proceed to checkout" when the price jumped. The price is bound to go low again, right? :(
 

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