Anyone looking for an older flagship model that can still "get down" with just about anything out there? Try this older Onkyo out. Check out the weight of this thing. http://www.soundcityoutlet.com/product/76/6757 It might not have all the bells and whistles, but it is a solid unit that should do a great job for a second room or some such similar use. It is old, but I think it's neat.