Ok it’s down to two receivers. The Yamaha RX-V757 Vs. Denon AVR-2105

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macersl

Audioholic Intern
They are both the same price and have almost the exact same features. So basically it comes down to whichever one has the most quality "guts". Or maybe there is something I am overlooking that makes one the clear winner. It will be mainly used for watching movies. Any insight would be appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!
 
brian32672

brian32672

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I would go with the Yamaha, it offers a negligible difference in cleaner THD% and a tad more power.
And for aesthetics it nicer looking IMO.
 
supervij

supervij

Audioholic General
Are you kidding? It's GORGEOUS! I love my Yamaha 750 (same as the 757, but lacking XM radio), both for its fantastic sound reproduction and for its looks.

Wish I could help, macersl, but I will say that you won't be disappointed in owning the 757.

cheers,
supervij
 
brian32672

brian32672

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supervij said:
Are you kidding? It's GORGEOUS!
Uhmm, thats what I said in not those words. I said IMO, it looks nicer..
Hmm, that is unless you were trying to point out the difference to him :)
But once again, IMO I would go the Yamaha route. Unless it was compared to the 3805. (Totally different price range, and features)
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
How far away are you from affording a 5790, 5890, a 1500, or Denon 3805? You know my unscientific rule of thumb on receivers - ~33lbs or more for a high quality receiver. If it's not in the budget, I'm OK with the 757, but I'd rather see you get one of the above (or at least a Pioneer 1015TX). ;)
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Buckeyefan 1 said:
How far away are you from affording a 5790, 5890, a 1500, or Denon 3805? You know my unscientific rule of thumb on receivers - ~33lbs or more for a high quality receiver. If it's not in the budget, I'm OK with the 757, but I'd rather see you get one of the above (or at least a Pioneer 1015TX). ;)
Your 33 lbs rule is scientific enough the way your explained it before. As long as people realize that there are always exceptions to this (yours) rule.

Just for those interested, here are some examples of exceptions to the 33 lb rule:

The Sony DA3ES (and higher) all weigh 21 kg (46.2 lbs), quite powerful in 2 channel mode but not that powerful in all channel driven. Not believing its published weight because its a Sony, I actually put one on a scale. With the remote, but without the box, it weighed 45 lbs.

The NADT773 is almost as heavy as the AVR7300, but no way near as powerful.

The AVR300 (Arcam) barely satisfy the 33 lbs rule, yet it is a powerful one, fully capable of driving 4 ohm loads. May be it uses light, but highly rigid metal frame, very high grade transformer core material, and highly efficient heat sinks (high heat dissipation to weight ratio). I really don't have a clue, just guessing.

The AVR-3805 weighs only 37.5 lbs but look at its respectable all channel driven power published by a few magazines including H.T. and S&V.

Bryston 4B does 500WX2 into 4 ohms, weighs only 52 lbs, much lighter than a Parasound that has similar output.

Other than a few exceptions, your 33 lb rule is an excellent guideline, I am sure you research it well, to get that number. I hope people pay attention to it when shopping for receivers.

Great job BEF1!
 
shokhead

shokhead

Audioholic General
brian32672 said:
I would go with the Yamaha, it offers a negligible difference in cleaner THD% and a tad more power.
And for aesthetics it nicer looking IMO.
Neither would be noticed.
 
brian32672

brian32672

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shokhead said:
Neither would be noticed.
negligible=Etymology: Latin neglegere, negligere
: so small or unimportant or of so little consequence as to warrant little or no attention :
 
shokhead

shokhead

Audioholic General
brian32672 said:
negligible=Etymology: Latin neglegere, negligere
: so small or unimportant or of so little consequence as to warrant little or no attention :
Thats what my wife keeps saying on Sat nights. What! :p
 
kay

kay

Audioholic
I have the Denon 2105 and was also deciding between that and a Yamaha 750. In the end it came down to price - I got my Denon for less than the price of a Yammy 450 ;) But both are great, and have roughly identical spec. The only thing missing from the Denon is lip-sync delay adjustments, which if you have a plasma TV will be a big plus for the Yamaha. Perhaps a Pioneer 1015 is a better choice right now - unfortunately it is not available in my country, otherwise I would have gone for that as well :(
 
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darkstar

Audiophyte
Being the proud owner of a Yamaha 750 for nearly a year I would strongly recommend it to any one.

Two points to bear in mind. First the 750 has a learning remote which you don't get with comparable Denon's. Second the Pure direct mode on the Yamaha is stunning for listening to 2 channel.
 
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James02

Enthusiast
I had the same decision to make only between the Yamaha 2500 and the Denon 3805. There are not huge sound differences between quality receivers as everyone seems to want you to believe. I spent some time in a dealers sound room switching between the two (they also had my speakers) and either one was excellent. The decision was made based on features I wanted and I liked the Yamaha remote better than the Denon. I think this is a personal decision and no one can decide for you.

James
 
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macersl

Audioholic Intern
Buckeyefan 1 said:
How far away are you from affording a 5790, 5890, a 1500, or Denon 3805? You know my unscientific rule of thumb on receivers - ~33lbs or more for a high quality receiver. If it's not in the budget, I'm OK with the 757, but I'd rather see you get one of the above (or at least a Pioneer 1015TX). ;)

The only reason I disqualified the Pioneer is because of no phono input. And honestly I always viewed Pioneer as a mediocre electronics brand. Not saying I was right in my predeterminations. I just have it for some reason. :confused:
 
brian32672

brian32672

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macersl said:
The only reason I disqualified the Pioneer is because of no phono input. And honestly I always viewed Pioneer as a mediocre electronics brand. Not saying I was right in my predeterminations. I just have it for some reason. :confused:
Your thinking may be correct for some part.
However, I will say that although I have not (as of yet) had a Denon reciever, I have had lots of Sony's, 2 Onkyo's, 1 Kenwood, Yamaha, Pioneers, etc..
The 1015tx is not your ordinary Pioneer receiver. It is their Flagship on the consumer line. It will compare IMO to the Denon 2105, and easily with the Yamaha 5790.
Usually their stuff IMO is a tad above mediocre. Now if you want to talk about mediocre, then we could use the likes of BOSE, and Sony (well over priced names for the features & quality)

Granted, no attack on your statement. If this is how you feel, then there are recommendations others including myself have gone with. And I in no way, take the Pioneer mediocre statement to heart. I just know a superb deal when I see one.

Plenty of people here have tested many units for these recommendations.
Take them or leave them.
But IMO, the 1015tx is not one to overlook.

Just my .02
 

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