Noobie Question - Bose Speakers/System

superstar

superstar

Junior Audioholic
Hello all,

I am new to this forum as well as the wonderful world of surround sound, I know I know, I've been stuck listening to music with the default tv speakers, and now I can finally upgrade to something better that will compliment my new 42" tv. Is the Bose System, the $2K, worth the money? I've also noticed that the Bose Systems are rarely mentioned anywhere but at the BestBuy/Circuit City stores, is Bose really that bad? If you guys were to recommend a set up, what package would it be? my limit is $2k =( and I might have to buy it separately, probably the DVD player first and then the receiver, etc. Thanks in advance!! :)
 
nav

nav

Audioholic
If you're up for some reading, read this for the general reasoning why Bose is a dishonest company and makes such a poor product per dollar.

You're in luck though, $2000 is plenty of money for a more than decent audio system; especially if you're comfortable shopping online.

DVD players from Denon, Oppo, Panasonic, and Pioneer make great choices. Try not to spend more than ~$200 on the DVD player. There's so many choices, it'd be best to whittle down the options. Would you like to use HDMI or is component video fine? Do you need SACD or DVD-Audio (different from normal DVDs, if you weren't yet aware) support?

Receivers from Denon, Marantz, Onkyo, Pioneer, and Yamaha are more good choices. I'd try to stick around ~$500 here (or less). If you choose especially hard to drive speakers, the budget gets stretched a little thin (so, try not to do that). Something like the Pioneer VSX-1016TXVK (an excellent price at that link once it's in your cart; includes very basic HDMI support) or the Onkyo TX-SR674 (again, add to cart for better prices; similar in features) would be my big recommendations (JR is a good store, I've had excellent experience with them; there are many other fine online stores too). Both of those can easily be found at local stores as well as online. If you've never owned a "real" receiver, expect to be blown away with how wonderful they are to use compared to home-theater-in-a-box offerings or Bose products.

Interconnects should be the least of your expenditures. If you'd like some pre-made, try companies like Impact Acoustics (not super cheap, but nice to look at and reportedly good customer service), Blue Jeans Cable (not super cheap either, but well built -- I do own some of their products), or Acoustics Research (also available at your local big box electronics stores), or MonoPrice (really, really inexpensive). If you'd like to make your own, you can generally get inexpensive wire from hardware stores (Lowe's, Home Depot, et cetera) or online at sites like Westlake Electronic. For fancy and convenient terminations, I highly recommend buying online, as the local stores tend to charge more than they're worth.

As far as speakers and subwoofer go, here's the rest of your budget. Just because a company makes good speakers doesn't mean they make good subwoofers, you can largely mix-and-match as you'd please.

If you'd like to stick to local stores where you can compare the sound side-by-side: Boston Acoustics, Infinity, KEF, Klipsch, Monitor Audio, NHT, Paradigm, Velodyne, and many, many more. Check what your local Hi-Fi stores carry and not just the big box stores. Try to listen to as many brands as you have the patience. If you can, test the speakers at home. Always bring your own test material with which you're thoroughly familiar.

Popular online vendors include AV123 (the x-series being the cheapest followed by the rocket series), Axiom Audio (stay away from their largest towers on a basic receiver, but otherwise pick-and-choose as you'd like), Ascend Acoustics, SVS, and Hsu Research (mostly for their subwoofers, but their speaker offering is interesting too). Check each of their in-home-trial and return offerings, some are better than others.

If you'd like to get something tiny (at the loss of potential output headroom): check out Orb Audio's offerings.

That's enough from me for now, I think :p.
 
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Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
Welcome to the forums. Do a search on Bose and you'll find what you can do much better for the money.

Nav, good post.
 
no. 5

no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
superstar said:
Is the Bose System, the $2K, worth the money?... is Bose really that bad?
here's some info on the subject:Battle of the Budget Towers, it's an older review, but Bose has not changed how thay buld speakers since then (unlike Pinnacle, Polk and Infinity). also, you can do a search in the forum for 'Bose' to get more information.

as for other TH speaker systems for around $2,000; the Morel Stream MKII, and the KEF KHT3005, would be my some of my picks for a $2,000ish sub/sat system, SVS and HSU also have systems that are highly recommeded in these forums.
there are a lot of good systems way under two grand too.
 
Resident Loser

Resident Loser

Senior Audioholic
No...

...Bose isn't really that bad...or at least as bad as they're made out to be, but...be of mindful of the fact that someone has to pay for all the advertising they do, and that someone is you...Also most of the systems, if not all, are closed, they use proprietary connectors so you really can't add to things as your needs and wants arise...The Systems that employ the Acoustimass module, it's not a true subwoofer, it's a junction point for all the connected speakers and it's frequency cut-off point is beyond what is normally considered subwoofer domain...

On the plus side, it's pretty much plug'n'play...no matching of components inputs/outputs/impedances, no rat's nest of wiring and they have a high WAF as they take up minimal space...

Simple rule of thumb, if you like the sound and have little or no thoughts re: upgrades/add-ons, buy it...otherwise look elsewhere...

I've had my 901-lls since '75 and they have served me well...when I wanted new drivers for my 301s, they really provided exemplary service...

Now everyone else can continue to tell you why you shouldn't touch Bose with a 10-foot pole...I thought you might want a rational presentation before the feeding-frenzy and Bose-bashing begins...

jimHJJ(...good luck...)
 
superstar

superstar

Junior Audioholic
Guys, Thanks a bunch for the quick reply!! I will be doing my reading as well as my research. :)
 
no. 5

no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
Resident Loser said:
I thought you might want a rational presentation before the feeding-frenzy and Bose-bashing begins...
...uh-oh, I think I see sharks aproching ;)
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
no. 5 said:
...uh-oh, I think I see sharks aproching ;)
Don't worry. I got some "Bat Anti-Shark Repellant" on my utlility belt. ;)
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I really enjoyed the "Battle of the Budget Towers", thanks for digging that fossil up no. 5.
 
wire

wire

Senior Audioholic
Resident Loser said:
...Bose isn't really that bad...or at least as bad as they're made out to be, but...be of mindful of the fact that someone has to pay for all the advertising they do, and that someone is you...Also most of the systems, if not all, are closed, they use proprietary connectors so you really can't add to things as your needs and wants arise...The Systems that employ the Acoustimass module, it's not a true subwoofer, it's a junction point for all the connected speakers and it's frequency cut-off point is beyond what is normally considered subwoofer domain...

On the plus side, it's pretty much plug'n'play...no matching of components inputs/outputs/impedances, no rat's nest of wiring and they have a high WAF as they take up minimal space...

Simple rule of thumb, if you like the sound and have little or no thoughts re: upgrades/add-ons, buy it...otherwise look elsewhere...

I've had my 901-lls since '75 and they have served me well...when I wanted new drivers for my 301s, they really provided exemplary service...

Now everyone else can continue to tell you why you shouldn't touch Bose with a 10-foot pole...I thought you might want a rational presentation before the feeding-frenzy and Bose-bashing begins...

jimHJJ(...good luck...)
I agree
Im not sure about the new stuff ( i have not heard a pair of new bose speakers ) , but i must say the Older 901's , when powered properly , where a fine sounding speaker . A freind owned a pair and still does , he had a Pre/Amp set up for them ( 200X2 rms ) and those speaker kick some butt (a joy to listin to ) .
 
superstar

superstar

Junior Audioholic
I think I might end up going for the Orb's complete package Thanks Nav for the tip! :)

My place is not that big, so hiding speakers is a must, or if anything, having a low profile, plus it says that it is THX certified, is that just another marketing hype? I will be just using this for movies and occasional music, of course I want to save money but at the same time I want get something that I won't have to upgrade for years to come until it actually breaks down... Do you guys know of another reliable/quality low profile speakers? Thanks in advance!!
 
no. 5

no. 5

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majorloser said:
Don't worry. I got some "Bat Anti-Shark Repellant" on my utlility belt. ;)
LOL, ever have trouble swiming with a utlility belt on? :D

Seth=L said:
I really enjoyed the "Battle of the Budget Towers", thanks for digging that fossil up no. 5.
you're welcom. yah, gotta love that old petrified equipment :p
 
nav

nav

Audioholic
superstar said:
My place is not that big, so hiding speakers is a must, or if anything, having a low profile, plus it says that it is THX certified, is that just another marketing hype?
It's debatable whether THX certifications mean anything anymore, but it's not a bad thing at least :).

superstar said:
Do you guys know of another reliable/quality low profile speakers? Thanks in advance!!
no. 5 mentioned Morel and KEF's tiny-speaker offerings earlier in the thread. Anthony Gallo makes some tiny-speakers too; I don't know the MSRPs off the top of my head, but I think they'd come out costing more than you wanted to spend. There's also in-wall speakers, but that just adds to the effort involved.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
superstar said:
I think I might end up going for the Orb's complete package Thanks Nav for the tip! :)

My place is not that big, so hiding speakers is a must, or if anything, having a low profile, plus it says that it is THX certified, is that just another marketing hype? I will be just using this for movies and occasional music, of course I want to save money but at the same time I want get something that I won't have to upgrade for years to come until it actually breaks down... Do you guys know of another reliable/quality low profile speakers? Thanks in advance!!
The RECEIVER is THX certified, not the speakers.

SheepStar
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Oh my, Bose is just awesome..... what?.. wow! I just got sideswiped by marketing.:eek:
 
emorphien

emorphien

Audioholic General
agarwalro said:
If the Orbs are acceptable, why not BOSE. If you get the speakers alone, the prices are comparible. http://www.thrillingaudio.com/bose-acoustimass-16-series-II-speakers?sc=2&category=271

Not trying to start a slinging match. I know that Bose has horrible marketing practices and a "prey on the miss-informed" attitude. But I cant imagen that the Orbs perform much better or worse than them.
I don't know much about the orbs at all, but if they even use better materials in making the drivers then they are doing better, although I would still expect high frequency performance to suffer. From a quick read it does seem they're using better drivers, but they are still a compromise. I don't expect dynamic, room filling sound from any small satellite speaker such as those or the Bose with only one 2.5 or 3" driver per enclosure. Still, better materials and a better driver means they probably will still outperform Bose.

I can say that at least they appear to come with a halfway competent subwoofer, Bose systems don't even come with a subwoofer, rather a large bookshelf speaker pretending to be one.
 
superstar

superstar

Junior Audioholic
I did some reading regarding BOSE and all forums/reviews by most users concluded that it is over priced for the workmanship/quality of product, I have heard Bose in action, I thought they sounded great myself (untrained ear) but with enough research I found out that I can get something similar (in sound, not aesthetics) for much less. I did more window shopping and found this from ONKYO
 
emorphien

emorphien

Audioholic General
superstar said:
I did some reading regarding BOSE and all forums/reviews by most users concluded that it is over priced for the workmanship/quality of product, I have heard Bose in action, I thought they sounded great myself (untrained ear) but with enough research I found out that I can get something similar (in sound, not aesthetics) for much less. I did more window shopping and found this from ONKYO
That's an important thing to say though. Some people think they sound fine, and I'd argue that a good number of those people could be convinced otherwise if given some time to hear various other systems at the same price point. Not everyone will immediately hear how bad a system can be until they've spent some time with a much better system.
 
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