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minnguy66

Audiophyte
I have a non-HDMI receiver, it has component video output, and an optical audio output. I have a Samsung 1080p DLP with HDMI ouputs. I am going to get a Blu-Ray DVD player and was wondering if I should (or even can) use the HDMI for video only and use the optical audio for sound. Or do I need to upgrade to an HDMI receiver for sound and video? Thanks
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Survey says that HDMI is the way to go for these Hi Def sources. If you route the DVD player's video directly to the display, you should be fine. Sound wise, just feed it's digital out to your receiver.
 
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MACCA350

Audioholic Chief
markw said:
Survey says that HDMI is the way to go for these Hi Def sources. If you route the DVD player's video directly to the display, you should be fine. Sound wise, just feed it's digital out to your receiver.
On the Blue-ray and HD-DVD players the highest quality audio outputs are similar to DVD-A/SACD players, Multichannel Analogue and HDMI. The digital coax/optical is the lowest quality connection because the high-res audio on the disc's is down-mixed to conform to the specs of those digital connections.

cheers:)
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Clarification, please.

So, you're saying that a receiver with HDMI inputs can decode SACD and DVD-Audio?

...or are you saying that these Hi-rez players pass a multi-channel analog audio feed, aswell as the video, to the receiver via the HDMI connection?
 
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MACCA350

Audioholic Chief
markw said:
So, you're saying that a receiver with HDMI inputs can decode SACD and DVD-Audio?
It depends on the receiver as to its decoding ability but all HDMI versions can pass Multichannel PCM, Here is a run down of the features of the different HDMI version.

HDMI 1.1
Support for DVD Audio

HDMI 1.2
Adds features and capabilities that increase HDMI's appeal for use in both the CE and PC industries. Specifically, the features and modifications for HDMI 1.2 include:
Support for One Bit Audio format, such as SuperAudio CD's DSD (Direct Stream Digital)
o Changes to offer better support for current and future PCs with HDMI outputs, including:
• Availability of the widely-used HDMI Type A connector for PC sources and displays with full support for PC video formats
• Ability for PC sources to use their native RGB color-space while retaining the option to support the YCbCr CE color space
• Requirement for HDMI 1.2 and later displays to support future low-voltage (i.e., AC-coupled) sources, such as those based on PCI Express I/O
technology
HDMI 1.2a
Consumer Electronic Control (CEC) features and command sets and CEC compliance tests are now fully specified.
Creation of version 1.2a of the HDMI Compliance Test Specification (CTS), which includes a CEC Supplement. HDMI CTS 1.2a has been updated for technical consistency with HDMI Specification 1.2a as well as to the recently released HDMI Specification 1.2. o Significantly, CTS 1.2a contains additional cable and connector testing and Authorized Testing Center (ATC) submission requirements. Specifically, under CTS 1.2a, the Adopter shall submit for testing to the ATC any new HDMI cable whose length exceeds previously tested cables.
Additionally, HDMI Licensing, LLC will maintain a list of approved connectors. For a device to pass CTS 1.2a testing at an ATC, all connectors on such device must appear on the approved connector list. To add a connector to this list, the vendor must submit to the ATC or HDMI Licensing, LLC full and passing testing results.

Q: What’s new in the HDMI 1.3 Specification?

Higher speed: Although all previous versions of HDMI have had more than enough bandwidth to support all current HDTV formats, HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.
Deep Color: HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification, for stunning rendering of over one billion colors in unprecedented detail.
Broader color space: HDMI 1.3 adds support for “xvYCC” color standard, which removes current color space limitations and enables the display of any color viewable by the human eye.
New mini connector: With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option.
Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates automatic audio synching capabilities that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with total accuracy.
New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.



markw said:
...or are you saying that these Hi-rez players pass a multi-channel analog audio feed, aswell as the video, to the receiver via the HDMI connection?
Simple answer, Yes the decoded Multichannel PCM, But I wasn't referring to them decoding DVD-A and SACD, as I believe they cannot(I was using them as an example as the high definition players deal with audio in a similar fashion).

HDMI v1.3 has the ability to pass the DD+, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD and DTS Master HD Bitstream, but you will need a receiver that has the ability to decode it and disc's that have the appropriate flags set by the encoding engineers(Hollywood) to allow the player to bypass its internal decoding and pass the raw Bitstream(this is at Hollywood's discretion as part of their protection schemes, and according to Dolby its beleived they will be few and far between)

cheers:)
 

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