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guyguy

Audiophyte
Hey every one , i am trying to get my Wharfedale sub going with my Yamaha rx 397 amp . But have no subout. What are my other options? do i need to buy another amp with subout?:(
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Most powered subs have stereo speaker level inputs, to which you would connect the speaker outputs of your receiver/amp.

When you use this method. many allow you to connect your mains to speaker outputs on the sub, which will "filter out" lows from going to your mains.

Of course, you can forgo that and simply run the sub in parallel with your mains so they get the full range should you so desire.

Likewise, some receiver/amos have preamp (line level) level outs/main amp ins and many subs offer the same options I described above for line level signals.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
To clarify what mark said (just because for some reason I had a bit of trouble following his post, although I know what he meant) - The back panel (Plate Amp) of your (most likely active) subwoofer should have speaker wire binding posts. The kind you turn, and either place bare copper or a banana plug into.

Connect speaker wire directly from the back of your yamaha to the wharfdale "speaker level inputs", in both right and left as indicated. Make sure the black wire is in the negative on both ends and the red wire is in the positive on both ends. Now connect speaker wire from the back of your sub directly to the respective right/left speakers in the same manner.

Next you will play around with the crossover "frequency" to as close-to-80hz as you can. If your speakers can go lower than that cleanly, then you may go lower. If you speakers don't go that low at all, you'll need to raise the frequency until the blend is seamless, although this isn't ideal because sound that's supposed to be coming from the right or left directions can be noticible heard from the direction of the subwoofer (80hz and under, this isn't nearly a problem). As mark said, what this does is sends a high pass filter to the main speakers (IE anything in the signal 80hz or higher) and sends a low pass filter to the subwoofer (anything 80hz or lower) where the subwoofer deals with it.

I suggest using something like DVE or Avia audio test tones to set this up properly..even for stereo these disks can be very useful, although they're a lot more useful in setting up 5.1 or 7.1. - and you may want nto pick up a radio shack (or something better like Galaxy CM130) SPL meter to get this as seamless as possible, since these devices are a lot more able to determine at which frequencies a speaker rolls off compared to our own ears, so finding the crossover frequency that will work best becomes easier.
 
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j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Two things to note - 1) I have not seen any sub that will accept banana plugs (may exist, but I've never seen it). They typically do not have binding posts for the speaker ins/outs.

2) Just to be clear: adjusting the x-over on the sub only affects the sub itself, it will NOT adjust the frequency being sent to the main speakers. That frequency is fixed via a high pass crossover built into the sub. If it is 80Hz, then you are probably lucky, as many subs are higher than that. What sub are we talking about by the way?

A setup disc is only needed if you are going to run the mains independent of the sub so that they are not filtered by the sub. Using the SPL meter, you can properly blend in the sub so you don't end up with a peak where the sub and mains overlap.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Sorry 'bout that, chief.

To clarify what mark said (just because for some reason I had a bit of trouble following his post, although I know what he meant)
Next time I'll follow your example and try to write in simple, short, sentences.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Ideally, your sub's plate amp looks like the Hsu below. As you can see, it has binding posts for the incoming speaker level signal from the amp and below that outgoing signal to your speakers.



Another variation, which would suit your needs, is on the Velodyne below. It has binding posts for the incoming speaker level signal from the amp, but you would have to connect two sets of speaker wires to your amp's speaker out.
One for the sub and one for the speakers.



Neither of these arrangements utilizes a high pass filter to remove the lower bass from your speakers (which is usually an option on a modern AV receiver).
 
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guyguy

Audiophyte
Thanks for your help people, so do i still need to use rca cables?:confused:
My sub is a Power cube 12.
 

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