No sound output from Marantz NR1501

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ejl10

Audiophyte
Longtime lurker, first time poster.

My 3.5 yr old NR-1501 suddenly stopped outputting sound. I've only ever used it to amplify an optical-in signal from an Airport Express, and output to a pair of Polk Monitor 60's through the posts and a PA-120 sub through the RCA sub out. I made no changes on or around the day it stopped working - all control (including volume) is always through iTunes. It's plugged into a quality surge strip.

I've tried other speakers, using other posts, and using the headphone jack and none work. I've also tried a variety of input sources and connections. HDMI pass through works.

Purchased as a refurb w/ 90 day warranty so there's no hope of getting any coverage.

Any ideas?
 
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ReUpRo

Full Audioholic
Try a soft reset (disconnect power for 5 minutes) and if that doesn't help, a hard reset (turn it on. While holding down the VCR/DVR button press the ON/STANDBY button, “Clear” will appear on the display and the AV receiver will enter standby mode). NOTE: Hard reset will erase all settings and put the receiver memory to NIB state.

Do you get any sound at all? Like radio tuner input? Thus input isolates the receiver, so if you can't even get radio to work, the amp might need a repair technician to dive in for investigation.
 
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ejl10

Audiophyte
Thanks ReUpRo. I tried the soft and factory resets without success. I also should have mentioned that I tried multiple inputs, including the tuner. Unfortunately I spoke to a tech and he said it isn't worth bringing it in given the high cost of labor.

I read a comment here this afternoon that this model is prone to hdmi pcb failures and that can cause loss of audio output, but I don't know how much faith to have since it isn't something I've heard about elsewhere. Any thoughts? These PCBs are available for ~$120 on ebay, but that's a big price to pay for a "wing and a prayer"!

Try a soft reset (disconnect power for 5 minutes) and if that doesn't help, a hard reset (turn it on. While holding down the VCR/DVR button press the ON/STANDBY button, “Clear” will appear on the display and the AV receiver will enter standby mode).*NOTE: Hard reset will erase all settings and put the receiver memory to NIB state.

Do you get any sound at all? Like radio tuner input? Thus input isolates the receiver, so if you can't even get radio to work, the amp might need a repair technician to dive in for investigation.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
What answer do you want to hear? There ain't no magic bullet here.

The tech was being brutally honest about his opinion but you can feel free to put $120 in the slot and pull the handle and hope it comes up three cherries.

Effens that were me, I'd be looking for another receiver, perhaps a full-sized one.

That 90 day warranty seems a bit short, even for a refurb. Accessories4less sells factory refurbed units that come standard with a one year guarantee and extended warranties avaible at additional cost.
 
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Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Hi. There are a few things that can cause you to not getting any audio, and while potentially obvious, I'll list them anyway. Also, it's possible to have fixed the original settings issue with a reset and then caused something else to get changed back to a default and make it seem like it isn't working how you expect it to.

1) Marantz was muted
2) The "A/D" button on the remote was pressed, switching your source from a digital input to an analog one (so, you wouldn't hear anything if you were using the digital connection)
3) If using an HDMI input, the "HDMI Audio Out" setting was turned on, meaning that audio would go to your TV and not through your receiver's speakers
4) Headphones are plugged in (so, be sure to unplug them after trying them)

After doing the reset, did you reassign the optical input to the source you're using with the Airport Express?

Regarding the tuner, have you ever used it before in your current location? If you don't have an antenna connected, it wouldn't be surprising to me if you got no audio from the tuner selection.
 
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ejl10

Audiophyte
What answer do you want to hear? There ain't no magic bullet here.

The tech was being brutally honest about his opinion but you can feel free to put $120 in the slot and pull the handle and hope it comes up three cherries.

Effens that were me, I'd be looking for another receiver, perhaps a full-sized one.

That 90 day warranty seems a bit short, even for a refurb. Accessories4less sells factory refurbed units that come standard with a one year guarantee and extended warranties avaible at additional cost.
Thanks, Mark. The author of the post I linked to indicated that this is a common problem with a well-documented solution. I was curious if there'd be any consensus around that, which would potentially make the $120 gamble worthwhile. Frankly, I view it as incredibly wasteful to simply discard a 3.5 yr old receiver that looks and previously functioned like new, and I think it reflects really poorly on Marantz.

As to the warranty, it looks like my memory failed me. I actually bought from Accessories4less, and the warranty was indeed 1 year. But I'm 3.5 years out so that's still no help.
 
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ejl10

Audiophyte
Hi. There are a few things that can cause you to not getting any audio, and while potentially obvious, I'll list them anyway. Also, it's possible to have fixed the original settings issue with a reset and then caused something else to get changed back to a default and make it seem like it isn't working how you expect it to.

1) Marantz was muted
2) The "A/D" button on the remote was pressed, switching your source from a digital input to an analog one (so, you wouldn't hear anything if you were using the digital connection)
3) If using an HDMI input, the "HDMI Audio Out" setting was turned on, meaning that audio would go to your TV and not through your receiver's speakers
4) Headphones are plugged in (so, be sure to unplug them after trying them)

After doing the reset, did you reassign the optical input to the source you're using with the Airport Express?

Regarding the tuner, have you ever used it before in your current location? If you don't have an antenna connected, it wouldn't be surprising to me if you got no audio from the tuner selection.
Hi Adam, thanks for your comprehensive reply. I should mention that I've troubleshot this pretty extensively already, and I'm hopeful that someone else has had this problem and can clue me in on the failure mode. The mute was checked and double checked, as was the input source. In fact, I've attempted to generate output using a variety of input/output combinations (including testing with/without headphones), hoping that there might be a port/connector failure somewhere or that the issue might be limited in scope. It doesn't appear that any input or output works, with the exception of HDMI pass through (but that doesn't really count). I've tried them all pre- and post- reset. Re: the tuner - while I didn't use it in the past, I was able to lock onto a signal using the FM antenna, and still got no output. Not even a hiss or static.
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
It may be worth your while to take it to a repair shop and get the tech to isolate the problem. A Marantz authorized shop may be costly, but a generic electronics repair shop may do it for much less. At that point you won't have spent too much and will be 100% sure if the DIY repair is going to do the trick.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Any chance you have a spare power amp laying around? Try the preamp outputs for the main R&L. It could be that the amp section/board died but the preamp outs may work. Problem is, they only have R&L outputs, not all channels.
 
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ejl10

Audiophyte
It may be worth your while to take it to a repair shop and get the tech to isolate the problem. A Marantz authorized shop may be costly, but a generic electronics repair shop may do it for much less. At that point you won't have spent too much and will be 100% sure if the DIY repair is going to do the trick.
Agreed - this makes a lot of sense to me. Unfortunately, I called a reputable independent shop here in DC and the owner sold me it wouldn't be worth his time to look at the receiver. A sad commentary on the throwaway society, I'm afraid...
 
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ejl10

Audiophyte
Any chance you have a spare power amp laying around? Try the preamp outputs for the main R&L. It could be that the amp section/board died but the preamp outs may work. Problem is, they only have R&L outputs, not all channels.
Great idea - I wish I did! If I were able to borrow one and the preamp outs work, what would that tell me about which board needs or doesn't ened) replacement? Sorry if this is trivial - I'm not too familiar with this receiver.

Thanks!!
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Hi Adam, thanks for your comprehensive reply. I should mention that I've troubleshot this pretty extensively already, and I'm hopeful that someone else has had this problem and can clue me in on the failure mode. The mute was checked and double checked, as was the input source. In fact, I've attempted to generate output using a variety of input/output combinations (including testing with/without headphones), hoping that there might be a port/connector failure somewhere or that the issue might be limited in scope. It doesn't appear that any input or output works, with the exception of HDMI pass through (but that doesn't really count). I've tried them all pre- and post- reset. Re: the tuner - while I didn't use it in the past, I was able to lock onto a signal using the FM antenna, and still got no output. Not even a hiss or static.
If HDMI pass through works, then the HDMI board is active. It has to work for pass through. If no inputs work and the radio does not work, it is a total waste of time and money to replace the HDMI board. I can be certain if that is the case it is not the HDMI board.

Do you use the headphone output a lot? If so, the problem might be the headphone muting circuit. Since there is no sound and yet the receiver does not go into shut down, it might be that the regulator controlling power to amp board in the power supply has failed, so that there is no power to the power amp board. Both of these issues would be pretty easy cheap fixes. I just have a hunch there is not much wrong with this unit.

The problem is it is a low cost unit, and it will take two to three hours to identify and fix the problem most likely. With the cost of running a repair shop, they really do need to get $100 an hour for labor plus parts. Repair techs have a really hard time making a living. That is why there are so few of them now.

For people in this hobby, it is well worth considering doing some night or community college classes to learn the art of electronic service. Good test equipment can be had on eBay for not much money.

You have to understand that Marantz do not make the components. However there are grades of components, from low tolerance all the way to aircraft and medical grade. As you go up the food chain the risk of failure goes down, but is never zero.

In addition to this being a low priced unit, it is a refurb. A lot of refurbs are basically open box. However, if a unit has had a failure, especially one involving shutdowns from the protection, then that unit has been stressed and will be more prone to failure form multiple causes. I do not recommend refurbs, for something as complex and trouble prone as receivers.

That brings me to the final point to avoid the lower price offerings from all manufacturers. If you don't want a repeat, start looking at the $600 and above, and look at Yamaha in that price range, as they are sparse on features. Preferably look at the $1000 to $1200 price bracket. The cheap receivers are prone to blow any time after two years and often sooner.

The bottom line is that the more expensive units are likely to be the better bargain.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Great idea - I wish I did! If I were able to borrow one and the preamp outs work, what would that tell me about which board needs or doesn't ened) replacement? Sorry if this is trivial - I'm not too familiar with this receiver.
I'm not familiar with the internals of this unit either, but I'd still suspect the amp section to be on its own PCB and that is likely what has failed. Hopefully that board is separate and would be an easy fix to just replace that board. I'm very curious about these units as well because of the size factor; I've been strongly considering one for my second system as I need HDMI and don't want to take up a lot of space. The longevity of these smaller, digital amp units is the X-factor keeping me from buying one so far.

If HDMI pass through works, then the HDMI board is active. It has to work for pass through. If no inputs work and the radio does not work, it is a total waste of time and money to replace the HDMI board. I can be certain if that is the case it is not the HDMI board.

Do you use the headphone output a lot? If so, the problem might be the headphone muting circuit. Since there is no sound and yet the receiver does not go into shut down, it might be that the regulator controlling power to amp board in the power supply has failed, so that there is no power to the power amp board. Both of these issues would be pretty easy cheap fixes. I just have a hunch there is not much wrong with this unit.

The problem is it is a low cost unit, and it will take two to three hours to identify and fix the problem most likely. With the cost of running a repair shop, they really do need to get $100 an hour for labor plus parts. Repair techs have a really hard time making a living. That is why there are so few of them now.

For people in this hobby, it is well worth considering doing some night or community college classes to learn the art of electronic service. Good test equipment can be had on eBay for not much money.

You have to understand that Marantz do not make the components. However there are grades of components, from low tolerance all the way to aircraft and medical grade. As you go up the food chain the risk of failure goes down, but is never zero.

In addition to this being a low priced unit, it is a refurb. A lot of refurbs are basically open box. However, if a unit has had a failure, especially one involving shutdowns from the protection, then that unit has been stressed and will be more prone to failure form multiple causes. I do not recommend refurbs, for something as complex and trouble prone as receivers.

That brings me to the final point to avoid the lower price offerings from all manufacturers. If you don't want a repeat, start looking at the $600 and above, and look at Yamaha in that price range, as they are sparse on features. Preferably look at the $1000 to $1200 price bracket. The cheap receivers are prone to blow any time after two years and often sooner.

The bottom line is that the more expensive units are likely to be the better bargain.
These units offer a few advantages, size being the main factor for the target audience. They are almost half the size of a typical AVR. Cost ISN'T what you're giving up with them though, because their full price actually puts them above average for what they offer, so size is really their selling point, not lower cost. The downside of that is, in order to compress the size, they have to compromise on some of the design in order to achieve that form factor and that likely affects quality.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I doubt it is the amp board. It would be unlikely for all amps to fail. About the only thing that could do that would be a break in the power buss of the circuit board. It is much more likely there is no power to the board from the power supply. The power amp board has a much higher voltage than the other boards. The other issue, is a faulty headphone mute, or failure of the muting circuit. Those would be the first three areas where I would look. My top suspicion is no power to the amp board.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Makes sense, that if all channels aren't working, it is no power to that board. That's why I recommended trying the preamp section out, as it should bypass the amp section and that would tell you that the preamp section is working, which it sounds like it is.
 
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StefanBerg

Audiophyte
I'm not familiar with the internals of this unit either, but I'd still suspect the amp section to be on its own PCB and that is likely what has failed. Hopefully that board is separate and would be an easy fix to just replace that board. I'm very curious about these units as well because of the size factor; I've been strongly considering one for my second system as I need HDMI and don't want to take up a lot of space. The longevity of these smaller, digital amp units is the X-factor keeping me from buying one so far.



These units offer a few advantages, size being the main factor for the target audience. They are almost half the size of a typical AVR. Cost ISN'T what you're giving up with them though, because their full price actually puts them above average for what they offer, so size is really their selling point, not lower cost. The downside of that is, in order to compress the size, they have to compromise on some of the design in order to achieve that form factor and that likely affects quality.

I would not recommend this unit to anyone. I had mine for 3.5 years. Worked ok for 2.5 years and lately, HDMI circuits needs a complete overhaul and remote (volume) is not working. Of course, just after warranty expired. Not impressed. Got a price for the overhaul...260$ (CAD). I'm done with Marantz...would rather support other businesses.
 
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