NHT and Audioquest cables

[Boerd]

I would rather see NHT sell AudioQuest cables than see NHT bankrupted.

Times are hard.

NHT has made excellent speakers in the past, and I don't mind seeing them sell AudioQuest cables.

On another note: just because Denon sells a $500 Ethernet cable does not mean that Denon is a bad company with bad products and they are not to be trusted.

Valid point.
I do like NHT and I try not to be judgmental but I just can't see them selling a lot of AQ cables; these cables are just too expensive for the speakers/amps NHT is selling. Maybe it would have made more sense to come up with their cables or simply sell BJC or any value-oriented cables.

 

[j_garcia]

LMAO!! Just saw this on Gizmodo:

According to a new study, if you expect the video quality of whatever you're watching to be great, you'll think it is.

Two groups of 30 people watched the same video clip, individually, on the same television. Half were told to expect a better experience thanks to HD technology, an impression backed up by posters, flyers and an extra-thick cable connected to the screen. The other half were told to expect a normal DVD signal.

Of course, the group expecting HD reported a far better viewing experience, saying it was clearer and crisper than standard def. It wasn't, of course. This basically explains why Monster Cable is still in business.

 

[JerryLove]

On another note: just because Denon sells a $500 Ethernet cable does not mean that Denon is a bad company with bad products and they are not to be trusted.

Trusted to do what? Provide value for your dollar? Sometimes they do and sometimes they do not (unless that Ethernet cable comes with some really neat features... like randy women or something).

I do, however, agree with the point. Denon makes great products, and I don't believe (I could be wrong) that they are making any false claims about their expensive cables... just selling a wanted product to a market.

There's nothing wrong with that... but buyers should be ware.

 

[highfigh]

I would rather see NHT sell AudioQuest cables than see NHT bankrupted.

Times are hard.

NHT has made excellent speakers in the past, and I don't mind seeing them sell AudioQuest cables.

On another note: just because Denon sells a $500 Ethernet cable does not mean that Denon is a bad company with bad products and they are not to be trusted.

I think it would be better to keep their integrity and align their company with a known good brand that isn't so much like stepping in crap and tracking it everywhere. They can sell anything else to make more money in these difficult times- why does it need to be something that's full of controversy? Selling cables that make dubious claims is not something I would do as a company owner.

 

[Ben_in_COSpring]

On another note: just because Denon sells a $500 Ethernet cable does not mean that Denon is a bad company with bad products and they are not to be trusted.

I would disagree with you on that third point. If marketing a $500 directional Ethernet cable does not bring a company's credibility into question, I don't know what will.

 

[chris357]

I would disagree with you on that third point. If marketing a $500 directional Ethernet cable does not bring a company's credibility into question, I don't know what will.

listen there are all kinds of things that companies who we all love do that might make up cringe. Its just part of business. and sometimes in business you home to have a few uninformed people show up with deep pockets and lay down and buy everything.. those are sweet days and in this economy you need as many as you can get and if Audioquest is giving them the best margin to market there cables then good for NHT since Audioquest is a pretty big name its easier to sell than other lesser brands.

would many of us buy it.. no.. but we most likely would not buy cables from them anyway.

again.. with as much of a big deal as we are making about this is anyone complaining about the mark up on Furniture, or clothing? thats sick.. you go buy that $50 shirt that cost 2.00 to make? or the couch that cost 2500 or more that cost a couple hundred?

sorry for the rant, I'm a car salesman and times are very tough right now and i am very happy for companies to do what it takes to make a profit. its up to the customer to understand what they are buying and determine the value and what they can afford.

and at least NHT is not going with Monster

 

[mtrycrafts]

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Here's something that completely disagrees with him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_electricity

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Yes, he may have missed the density a bit but even your evidence agrees with him about the speed of electron travel. He said nothing about speed of EMF travel; be careful.

As to the battery example, care to put numbers on the conditions, please?
Well, I just destroyed a 1.5V AA batter for you with a 15" 24ga wire. Yep, it gets hot indeed. Know why?
E=I*R or, I= E/R; 1.6, if that battery can hold 1.6V with a .03 Ohm wire resistance which it cannot, but, that calculates to 50A demand from that little battery and through that 24ga cable. Of course it will get HOT!!! Pushing 50A through that 24ga, force feeding it.

In his example next to that 40 watt light bulb, well, I will let you calculate the bulb resistance compared to the wire. Oh, don't forget, he was using a 250V source.
Oh, here you go, the bulb is 1562 Ohms. Does that wire really matter much here? Really?

 

[mtrycrafts]

Then when I flip my light switch, which has about 20ft of cabling between it and the first of four lights it controls, I will have to wait about 200 seconds for the first light to come on.

It takes very little real-world experience to determine that his number is wrong.

The fact that I need to introduce an artificial delay into my rear speakers also tells me that electricity is faster than sound.

The signal is faster Electrons don't need to be.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I think part 2 might have not been posted when I started typing... that or I had a complete brain failure (because I saw the "read in red" instruction, but not the highlighted part).

Zhimbo seems to have already written the rest of what I thought.

There was only a 2 minute delay between posts. His time stamp is 6.35AM and 6.37AM
Well, a partial brain failure as you recovered very well Welcome back

 

[mtrycrafts]

I would rather see NHT sell AudioQuest cables than see NHT bankrupted.

Times are hard.

NHT has made excellent speakers in the past, and I don't mind seeing them sell AudioQuest cables.

On another note: just because Denon sells a $500 Ethernet cable does not mean that Denon is a bad company with bad products and they are not to be trusted.

That is similar to the speaker builder John Dunlavy who decided to satisfy his audiophiles market by designing a speaker cable with an 8 Ohm impedance for a good bit of money, yet he made no claims for his cables and in fact, he conducted DBT with speaker cables all the time. Usual outcome, by the way

 

[mtrycrafts]

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and at least NHT is not going with Monster

I guess we have to be thankful for any small favors

 

[davidtwotrees]

These days I question all brands, and have no loyalty, and take nothing on hearsay. Last winter I skidded into anohter vehicle during a rainstorm, totalling my ford ranger. The Ford was very dependable. But I found myself scrambling for a new vehicle, with little or no spare cash in the economic downturn. I had 2k to spend. I was looking at trucks that were over 15 years old. I was always a big buy american! person. But with the age of the turcks I was looking at, I decided to swallow my pride and buy a legendary Toyota. Ha. Turns out Toyota's in the 90's suffered from a terrilbe bout of frame rot! I took my truck in for a muffler and it literally folded in two like a hinge when they went to put it on the rack as the frame was so completly rotten! I've managed to jury rig weld a bunch of angle iron to the frame and drove it through the winter. Google Toyota Frame Rot and see what you find. Own a Toyota! I must say, the 4 cyl engine runs great................so, I now trust no brand on pure hearsay. I am still driving the truck hoping the frame doesn't collapse...........

 

[highfigh]

Yes, he may have missed the density a bit but even your evidence agrees with him about the speed of electron travel. He said nothing about speed of EMF travel; be careful.

As to the battery example, care to put numbers on the conditions, please?
Well, I just destroyed a 1.5V AA batter for you with a 15" 24ga wire. Yep, it gets hot indeed. Know why?
E=I*R or, I= E/R; 1.6, if that battery can hold 1.6V with a .03 Ohm wire resistance which it cannot, but, that calculates to 50A demand from that little battery and through that 24ga cable. Of course it will get HOT!!! Pushing 50A through that 24ga, force feeding it.

In his example next to that 40 watt light bulb, well, I will let you calculate the bulb resistance compared to the wire. Oh, don't forget, he was using a 250V source.
Oh, here you go, the bulb is 1562 Ohms. Does that wire really matter much here? Really?

I don't remember seeing 'wave' in the last paragraph. Hmmm.

Re: the battery and dead short- I was referring less to the battery getting hot and more to the conductor but it can happen both ways. I put a 9V battery in my pocket and didn't realize I also had a quarter in there, so as I walked over to where some co-workers were, the battery moved and the terminals hit the quarter. It got hot, fast and one of the guys said "I've never seen you move that fast!" as I reached in to get it out before it really burned my leg.

He used 250VDC, a 40W bulb and assumed 0 Ohms for the element, which you calculated to be 1562 Ohms.

 

[JerryLove]

The signal is faster Electrons don't need to be.

I'll blame it on the same temporary insanity that made me miss the red parts. I didn't notice when the conversation moved from the speed of the "electricity" to the speed of electron migration.

If it's any consolation, no one noticed that my math was off by an order of magnitude (as I converted to cm not mm).

 

[highfigh]

I'll blame it on the same temporary insanity that made me miss the red parts. I didn't notice when the conversation moved from the speed of the "electricity" to the speed of electron migration.

If it's any consolation, no one noticed that my math was off by an order of magnitude (as I converted to cm not mm).

Since you mentioned electricity vs migration.....

Oh, we noticed.

 

[mtrycrafts]

These days I question all brands, and have no loyalty, and take nothing on hearsay. Last winter I skidded into anohter vehicle during a rainstorm, totalling my ford ranger. The Ford was very dependable. But I found myself scrambling for a new vehicle, with little or no spare cash in the economic downturn. I had 2k to spend. I was looking at trucks that were over 15 years old. I was always a big buy american! person. But with the age of the turcks I was looking at, I decided to swallow my pride and buy a legendary Toyota. Ha. Turns out Toyota's in the 90's suffered from a terrilbe bout of frame rot! I took my truck in for a muffler and it literally folded in two like a hinge when they went to put it on the rack as the frame was so completly rotten! I've managed to jury rig weld a bunch of angle iron to the frame and drove it through the winter. Google Toyota Frame Rot and see what you find. Own a Toyota! I must say, the 4 cyl engine runs great................so, I now trust no brand on pure hearsay. I am still driving the truck hoping the frame doesn't collapse...........

Wow. thanks for the heads up. I have an 1987 Toyota extended cab, long bed P/u that built my house but now just kind of sits waiting to be used.

Just be careful with that frame.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I don't remember seeing 'wave' in the last paragraph. Hmmm.

Re: the battery and dead short- I was referring less to the battery getting hot and more to the conductor but it can happen both ways. I put a 9V battery in my pocket and didn't realize I also had a quarter in there, so as I walked over to where some co-workers were, the battery moved and the terminals hit the quarter. It got hot, fast and one of the guys said "I've never seen you move that fast!" as I reached in to get it out before it really burned my leg.

He used 250VDC, a 40W bulb and assumed 0 Ohms for the element, which you calculated to be 1562 Ohms.

He assumed 0 Ohms for the wire considering the bulbs resistance overwhelmed it. He had to use the lamps resistance to get to his .16A, one way or another.
"Let us assume for the sake of convenience that the copper wire has zero resistance"

Yes, that 24ga wire also got hot as that poor little battery tried to dump 50A through it