(News)Paperless Society

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Audioholics Robot
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Being a part of an online publication like Audioholics probably doesn't give me the least biased position on the sate of the newspaper and print magazine industry. Obviously, I have a lot invested in maintaining the viability of the online medium. So I can't help but feel a little bit of validation when I read that the parent company of Stereophile is filing for bankruptcy. Of course, I don't want anyone to lose their jobs or have any desire to see any of my fellow reviewers suffer but we've believed for years that the Internet is the future of news and information.


Discuss "(News)Paperless Society" here. Read the article.
 
CraigV

CraigV

Audioholic General
All of these print media companies are whining about going under, and they only have themselves to blame. If you make your content freely available, who’s going to pay for it?
 
MapleSyrup

MapleSyrup

Audioholic
Yesiree

Of course, I don't want anyone to lose their jobs or have any desire to see any of my fellow reviewers suffer but we've believed for years that the Internet is the future of news and information.
You were and are 100% coooooorrect!!! :D

Paper print is down down down in many media areas and internet surfing is up up up.
 
cwall99

cwall99

Full Audioholic
Do you really want an information economy based on blogs?

One of the phrases I've heard bandied about a lot is something called the "citizen journalist." Apparently, the internet is opening up venues for all of us to be reporters. I also think that's what a lot of blogs believe they are.

But there are a couple of huge "however" in there. Believe it or not, most journalists, and I'm talking real journalists here as in reporters who (used to) work for your local daily paper have degrees in journalism. As someone who writes for a living, and who's done a little writing for some local newspapers, I know from experience that there's an art to writing a newspaper story, and it's a very different set of skills than writing a corporate report or a technical paper or a set of instructions that describe how to use a software application to accomplish a task.

In the blogosphere (and I'm always careful where I step when I'm walking there), I'd be willing to bet that over 75% of the content is not reporting in the traditional newspaper sense, but is, rather, editorializing (much like what I'm doing here). It's the same thing that you see on CNN, MSNBC, or that vast wasteland of aired content, Fox News ("Fair and Balanced" has to be the most cynical phrase used by a purported news outlet to describe its own content that I've ever seen). But I digress...

What I'm getting to is that an ever-increasing amount of content that tries to pass itself off as news is not new, but is, instead, editorial. There's a huge difference, but the more this phenomenon takes over, the less able many of us are at discriminating between the two. And it's critical, if democracy is going to work, that we be able to see the difference.

And that's another thing... all this talk about "the media" tends to lose track of the reporters who do the vast bulk of news collection and reporting. Only a very small percentage of reporters work for the major papers. Most work for your local dailies, bi-weeklies, or weekly papers. They don't earn very much, and I can guarantee you that their offices don't look anything like the offices of the Daily Planet in Superman Returns. They're just schmoes like the rest of us, many of whom probably make something in the low $20K/year range (if they don't work at a union paper). They're just reporting the news the way they've been trained. Given the volume of stories most of them have to write, they don't have time to editorialize or slant their news.

Two more gripes about online publications: one is that if you're going to an paid-by-advertiser model, then you become beholden to those advertisers. Consider Audioholics. Compare the products you've seen reviewed here in the past few months and count the ads that have been posted here. I'm sure that someone here will have something to say about my observation.

No, I don't have any numbers to back it up, but it's been a long while since I've seen a review of a B&W speaker here. Or a KEF. Or a PSB. I've seen what seems to me to be a disproportionately large focus on The Speaker Company, though. The reviews may be good. They may be bad. I'm not saying anything about the editorial content concerning the products, but I am saying that it seems odd how little coverage is given to manufacturers who don't advertise here.

The other is that online publications invest minimally in layout. Essentially, they have a template for content, and a few rules for writers to follow when composing content, and then the content gets dropped into a template.

Sure, it cuts costs, but there's an art to page layout that you can even see evidenced in the design and layout of daily newspapers. Yes, the dailies have templates, but the graphic designers spend time on the front pages of each section. I guess my thought is that if an online publication doesn't put any effort into the design of its site aside from a very occasional update of the template, is that publication really qualified to make pass any sort of judgment on the aesthetics of a product?

Aesthetics and design do have certain guiding principles, and if you're not aware of them, you're not really well suited to judge the application of those guiding principles to a product. About the best you can do is say, "I thought it looked really cool."

So I'm worried about the lack of design principles on what I read. I'm worried about the devaluation of what we read due to the dilution of journalistic independence and integrity, and I'm worried about how the paid-by-advertiser model will affect what we get to read online.

Oh, and what if you lose your connection to the internet?
 
MapleSyrup

MapleSyrup

Audioholic
CWALL: Blogs

I think what's important is one finds blogs that research and bring out facts and ideas based upon evidence.

I like:

Lone Star Times
National Review Online
Human Events
Drudge Report
Little Green Footballs is usually pretty good as well
Breitbart

There's also:

Huffington Post
Daily KOS

An other for the more liberal leaning crowd. There libertarian site that are specacular but I don't frequet any. You can also find websites dedicated to crime, law, religion, and many others. The websites I enjoy the most are factual-based. That's detailed by evidence they can link to to support their claims. Tom did a great job with this front page post in doing just that. In fact, audioholics.com should be commended for sourcing the data to back up their claims regarding home theater products. The same should be no different for news sites and commentator sites. Years ago I watced the news frequently, now almost never.
 
cwall99

cwall99

Full Audioholic
I thiink the best commentaries on the infotainment channels (CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc...) are the Daily Show and The Colbert Report.

I used to read Salon.com. And still go there occasionally for the comics (This Modern World, K Chronicles, Tom the Dancing Bug), and some columns (especially Garrison Keillor's and Patrick Smith's "Ask the Pilot"), but I got tired of Joe Conason's over the top nonsense.
 
A

aarond

Full Audioholic
the saddest part about losing the daily papers is the loss of the investigative reporter. anyone remember a couple of reporters from the washington post in the early 70's? Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward stories like watergate don't get reported because of no budget for that type of investigation. i guess we will just believe everything the politicians tell us and go about our happy lives.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
the saddest part about losing the daily papers is the loss of the investigative reporter. anyone remember a couple of reporters from the washington post in the early 70's? Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward stories like watergate don't get reported because of no budget for that type of investigation. i guess we will just believe everything the politicians tell us and go about our happy lives.
The Washington Post is one the finer papers there are, along with the NY Times. Most other US papers, among the few I've seen, are pretty crappy. The LA Times included. While it is just the Sports section, the writers for that section need to go back to grammar school. Unforgivable for a professional writer. Do I have good grammar? No, but I don't get paid to write.

The finest paper I've ever subscribed to, easily, is the International Herald Tribune. So well written, with full page layouts, everyday, each for the Americas, Europe, Asia, a good editorial section (by good, I mean written my people that I've actually heard of), and even a sports section with people that properly write. It's owned by the NYT/Post, I'm pretty sure, and that doesn't surprise. It's basically a global version of the NYT. I tried a subscription here in the states, because it's such a great paper, but they come two weeks late. :(:(:(

I think subscribing to my local papers is a waste of time, money, and trees.
 
MUDSHARK

MUDSHARK

Audioholic Chief
Am I the only one that appreciates a book more than a CD-ROM?
 
cwall99

cwall99

Full Audioholic
Books rule....

No matter how good the technology for a home theater gets, a movie will never equal a good book. The problem, like all things that require a bit of effort, is finding a good book. There are a few writers I really like (Thomas Pynchon for one) whose books will never appear in movies. Can anyone who's read it imagine Gravity's Rainbow on the silver screen?

But I like books. A lot. And all my best books have all kinds of notes scribbled in the margins. I just don't know how you can do that with a Kindle. And, with a Kindle, if you read a book, and you put it on the shelf, say, for a few years, can you pick up that book again without having to pay for it again? Will all the notes you scribbled in the margins still be there?

And, what I really like about books is that you can take them out to the hammock with you, and if you just happen to fall asleep while you're reading, you don't have to worry about the battery being dead when you wake up.
 
MapleSyrup

MapleSyrup

Audioholic
cwall99

the saddest part about losing the daily papers is the loss of the investigative reporter. anyone remember a couple of reporters from the washington post in the early 70's?
There's a lot of extremely well done investigative reorting done outside journalists. Politics aside, do you remember when the Dan Rather(a journalist)'s report came out about President Bush' neglect in the National Guard? That the report Rather used was show to be "not able to authenticate", as Rather put it? It turns out the font used on the report Rather purported used a font not in use by typewritters in the year the report was, well, "reported" to have been made. That was a blogger at little green footballs who broke that fact and made the public aware of it.

I admire your enthusiasm for journalism and fact digging. All you really need to do, as far as I can tell, is to apply those standards upon the blogs and news websites you decide to frequent.

I also agree 100% that a movie cannot replace a good book. And I don't read much at all. At least not offline. ;)
 
cwall99

cwall99

Full Audioholic
I've read Tolkien's LotRs a number of times (the first time was about 30 years ago - sheesh!!!!), and I was one of those geeky guys who learned how to write in runes (the simpler dwarf runes, not the cool, elegant elf runes), but it's a skill that's about as useful as learning to speak Klingonese. So, yeah, I'm a Tolkien geek to one degree or another (I can't do the runes anymore, though).

My brother-in-law, though, now there's a nut. As good as Peter Jackson's movies were, anyone who's seen a book they love made into a movie knows they have to make compromises to fit the story on the silver screen.

Ah, but my brother-in-law.... I seriously thought we were going to have to shoot him with a tranquilizer dart to sedate him just to get him to shut up in the theater. He was almost standing up in his seat, yelling at the screen, about how they'd screwed up the books.

But a good book can do that to you, and probably to a much deeper extent than a movie can. Books are better than movies. Original movies are generally better than re-makes. And so it goes.

And I think it's because when I read the book, it's my vision I'm seeing in my head. The voices in my head (no, not THOSE voices) sound the way I expect them to sound. I'm personally invested in the look and feel of the book as I read it. Movies, as much fun as they are to watch either on the big screen (provided the theater has a good sound system) or in my home theater, are a much more passive experience.

Except, perhaps, for The Rocky Horror Picture Show, but I just can't see that working as well in a home theater as it does in a real theater.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Printed magazines are going down because they lack creativity and are not able to make the printed version stand out.... I like to have things in printing coz it's nicer to read somewhere... relaxing.... rather than looking at a monitor... We need the magazines...
 
annunaki

annunaki

Moderator
The reason most papers are going out of business is complete lack of objectivity. Many of them have an extreme bias to reporting and people don't feel they want to pay for it.

True journalism reports something for what it is, no fluff, no bias. Get the real story, ask the tough questions, etc. Unfortunately, very few media outlets follow this principle. The one's that do tend to get attacked because they are not following the other's paths and get labeled extremist, etc.:rolleyes:
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
The reason most papers are going out of business is complete lack of objectivity. Many of them have an extreme bias to reporting and people don't feel they want to pay for it.

True journalism reports something for what it is, no fluff, no bias. Get the real story, ask the tough questions, etc. Unfortunately, very few media outlets follow this principle. The one's that do tend to get attacked because they are not following the other's paths and get labeled extremist, etc.:rolleyes:
Soooo agree with you, we are all tired of all these sensational stories, not what we want to read about ....
 
J

just listening

Audioholic
Bias in printed journalism has always existed, but it does have it's high and low points as far as political promotion of one view or another. sadly, right now we are in a period of high bias. Then add on top of it, the far left and right bloggers who never let facts get in the way of their diatribes, making things worse. And finally, the financial crumbling of print news and it's a miserable time for quality journalism to stand out.

As far as audio journalism goes, I have no personal doubt that by 2011 both Stereophile and TAS will be online only. TAS is already moving in that direction. Their "Playback" e-zine is in a constant state of change, as I believe it is a testing ground for what TAS will become fairly soon.

The bankruptcy of Stereophile's parent and eventual sale once the banks gain final control of the parts will force their hand into the electronic-only medium. The size of each issue has been shrinking for some time and it only makes sense to go this route.
 

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