Newbie needs advise...please

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CHADDY-P

Audiophyte
Newbie needs advice...please

My wife and I our building our first home and I need some advice on our home theater. I don't have any equipment yet and am meeting with the local audio shop on Thursday to discuss the prewire. I want to go with in ceiling speakers for the surround and a floor standing sub. The shop carries Boston Acoutic and Niles in ceiling speakers. I'm not sure what recievers they carry, but I will purchase my equipment off the Net and just have them install if I can save money. I really don't know what to do. I will only have a budget of about 1500 to get; speakers, sub, reciever, dvd. 5.1 set up is what I would like to have. I have 500 in the building contract for the prewire, but the local shop said they could beat my builders quote.....

Sorry I know nothing about this stuff......

Any advice will be apreciated...
 
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Takeereasy

Takeereasy

Audioholic General
I know about as much as you do when it comes to in walls and prewiring, but I know who to point you to. You should PM both BMXTRIX and RLA in order to make sure they see your post. Both are resident experts on this matter. There are many others as well and I don't want to slight anybody but those two seem to answer the most posts about these topics. They are going to need info like room size/shape, and what the dealer quote is and what the ga./type of wire being offered to you is. Also how are your contractor and shop proposing to finish your room? Are they going to install nice clean wall plates or are they just going to fish wire through the wall an d leave it for you? Wish I could be of more help but this is way beyond me. I will go so far as to suggest you look at the BIC acoustech in wall speakers. You can pick them up at Ubid right now cheaply, I believe it is $169 a pair for either in-walls or in-ceilings. You could then pick up the Acoustech center for $120 but you would have to place that on top of the tv or put a speaker mount on the wall because it is not designed to be recessed like the other speakers. You can get a Pioneer 9100 for $430 including taxes and shipping here . Factor in $60 for shipping from Ubid for those Bics. Add in about $250 for this Cadence sub shipped to you from cadence themselves and then factor in a decent dvd player like the Panasonic DVDS77 right now available at onecall.com for $199 including shipping and you are off to the races with a whole system that will kick some major booty for under (a hair under still counts) $1500 all in. Good luck with it all.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Chaddy - If you are building a home now is the time to do the wiring. There is an article on the site as well as several posts on pre-wiring homes. Things to consider and ideas. Before drywall goes up, this is your time to get the wiring in. Consider all the areas you may want to put some special TV viewing in place or some speakers up for whole house audio.

Yes, the budget may not be there yet to buy stuff, but the wiring should be done now and conduit should be run if you want easy access to add more later.

The cost difference? Well, it was 3 times the standard labor time to run wiring after construction through a wall without access. Twice as much if there was access just due to dealing with drywall at all. So, it will be about 1/3 as expensive to run the wiring now as opposed to later.

Plasmas, projectors, and TVs all need wiring run to them and speakers all need to be pre-wired to prevent having to cut holes in the wall later.

MORE ON SUBJECT:
1. Is the home theater using a projector or something else for video reproduction? Details please + budget

2. Why in the world, in a dedicated theater, would you degrade audio quality by going with in-wall/ceiling speakers? There are good in-wall/ceiling speakers, but not at your budget really. At your budget, your money would be better utilized on bookshelf, on-wall, or floor standing speakers. Unless it's your family room as well, I would go with the best sounding speakers money could afford me.

3. The location of the speakers is dependent on room layout, but there is an excellent guide on this site that I would take a look at first for locations to run wiring to.

4. Run decent wiring in the room, if the contractor (whoever it is), has their own wire, find out what it is first before you are stuck with 18 gauge wiring in place.

5. For comparison, I spent about $3K on wiring in my home. But, the theater area (family room) was about $500.00 only and I made darn sure to pull conduit to both my plasma as well as my projector locations.

6. What is your timeline?

7. Where are you building? You may get some other references to good A/V help in your area if you let us know.

8. Who is your builder? Is this custom or a pre-fab design in a community? Many builders will not allow outside contractors to touch the home. Basically, they own the home until you settle, so if an outside contractor cuts a hole through a support beam they weren't supposed to, the builder is liable. Not something they often are willing to allow.

9. If it matters, then careful planning now will save you headaches down the road.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
I was in a similar situation 3 years ago. I had the tech people wire for the theater as well as 2 bedrooms & back deck to make use of the unused rear channels in my 7.1 receiver via zone 2. I also wired in for Volume Control/Infrared Sensors at each location for more control. This could also be done using a selector box without benefit of proximity. All wiring was homerun to the receiver location. The caveat here is that I did not take advantage of all this until 2 years later because I had not yet decided on surrounds or zone speakers. I started with just receiver & L/R speakers. Then during the next 2 years, as $$$ became available, I added a center and sub, and purchased the in-ceilings and outside speakers.

The BIC Acoustech in-ceiling, Pioneer receiver, and Cadence sub all look like great deals. In-ceiling speakers do offer great quality sound for the budget minded. I wouldn't pay more than $200 for 6.5" or $250 for 8". My Paradigm CS-60Rs ($200) sound great.

*** THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM AT THIS STAGE IS TO UNDERSTAND YOUR OPTIONS AND MAKE THE DECISIONS REGARDING THE PREWIRING ***
because once the drywall goes up...

To be continued...
 
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kiran_sham

Junior Audioholic
My suggestion would be to buy only the Receiver and DVD player ONLINE. The speakers are best bought from a store after you listen and compare each of them. Moreover, there is not much of a cost difference in the case of speakers, if you buy them online. And just FYI, my home theater cost me almost $1500. I bought my Yamaha RXV1500 online for about $525 (got some superb special discounts). I bought all my speakers from circuit city during last thanksgiving, when all speakers were on sale for half the marked price, DVD recorder from Fry's electronics and I had a TV anyway. I know least about pre-wiring since I live in an apartment and I never got luxury to do any of those :( .
 
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cgrndwazoo

Audiophyte
CHADDY-P said:
My wife and I our building our first home and I need some advice on our home theater. I don't have any equipment yet and am meeting with the local audio shop on Thursday to discuss the prewire. I want to go with in ceiling speakers for the surround and a floor standing sub. The shop carries Boston Acoutic and Niles in ceiling speakers. I'm not sure what recievers they carry, but I will purchase my equipment off the Net and just have them install if I can save money. I really don't know what to do. I will only have a budget of about 1500 to get; speakers, sub, reciever, dvd. 5.1 set up is what I would like to have. I have 500 in the building contract for the prewire, but the local shop said they could beat my builders quote.....

Sorry I know nothing about this stuff......

Any advice will be apreciated...
hi 1500 isnt much for a good size room but not impossible.try a NAD t-571 reciever and try to stay matched on speakers. bostons are a fine speaker.personally im a (paradigm kind of guy)try spearitsounds.com for great deals on nad refurbs plus there nice ppl clay
 
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godfober

Audiophyte
With $1500, you might be able to get the following from eBay or other online sources.

Yamaha RXV1500
Subwoofer: Polk PSW303
Center Speaker: Polk CSi3
Front Speakers: Polk TC60i (in-ceiling)
Rear Surround: Polk TC610i (in-ceiling)

I got all of those Polk speakers for about $800 total (which is way below retail) from eBay. (Look for audvidcrazy and google_auctions users. They have lots of Polk speakers up for auction). You can get the Yamaha RXV1500 for about $700 which doesn't really leave room for a DVD player, but you can always get that little later right?
 
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kiran_sham

Junior Audioholic
Go to www.shopping.com and give a find for Yamaha RXV1500. I saw one for $545 a few minutes back (just for you to get a feel of prices). You could as well look for other items. This is one terrific website. I bought my Yamaha RXV1500 from electronicsexpo (not sure of their website) thru <a href='http://consumeralertsystem.com/cas/zx-hclick.php?hid=101' target='_blank'>shopping</a>.com itself for about $525 including shipping, about 8 months back.
 
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