New System - Speakers & Receiver

David Maki

David Maki

Audiophyte
Hi all - new to this forum. I'm presently shopping a new receiver, front, center, rear speakers and potentially sub. I'm planning on getting front speakers first, receiever, center and sub down the road. I've not listened to any of the speakers that I'm interested in thus far, but on paper I'm digging Paradigm Series 20v.5 as well as Ascend Acoustic Sierra-1. I'm open to other suggestions and I would like to keep the cost between the Sierra and Paradigms. I'm also presently interested in the Denon AVR-2112CI-AVR3312CI receivers that are "coming soon". I think I can get away with the power that the two lower end models deliver - the one stand out on the 3312 model is that it's the only one that has a phono input. I do have a turntable so this is important to me. Not sure if I can get away with using another input to plug the phono into?

If anyone has any other receiver suggestions I'm open.

Thanks - look forward to corresponding on here while I develop my new system.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Concentrate on the speakers first. Go listen to them if you can. Hard to do with net direct brands, I know. Try to listen to as many speakers as you can in and above your price range. Once you find the speakers that sound best to you, maybe members here can help find similar speakers, better speakers with those characteristics you like or find better deals on the ones you've chosen. I had the Studio 20's on my initial shopping list but they lasted about 6 seconds in an actual audition. You should hear the speakers yourself before you buy.

Once the speakers are chosen, the receiver can be chosen according to the needs of the speakers.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Davemcc is right about going out into the world and listening to speakers. You should listen to as many different models, from as many different brands, of as many different types (e.g., ribbons, horns, domes, whatever) as you can stand to listen to, before you buy. And you should listen with a variety of types of music, with which you are familiar. The speakers will affect the sound more than anything else you buy, so put most of your money into your speakers, and make sure you get ones you like.

Also, when some new feature or format comes out, you don't need to replace speakers, so putting enough money into them that you are satisfied with them tends to be a good investment in the future.

If it is going to be a surround system, ideally, the front three speakers will be identical (with possibly all speakers identical, except subwoofer), with the next best being a center from the same manufacturer that is "voice matched" to the front speakers. So buy the front center speaker at the same time as the front right and left speakers. Also, if you are going to get a subwoofer, your main speakers only need to go deep enough to mate well with a subwoofer, so that can significantly affect what your main speakers need to do to be satisfactory. Typically, one can save money on main speakers by getting bookshelf versions of the tower speakers one was going to get, and then put that extra money into a better subwoofer than one could otherwise afford, and then get deeper and/or better bass (assuming that one sets it up properly, which some people don't, as they set the subwoofer level too high for their movies, and then complain that it sounds boomy when playing two channel music straight, forgetting that of course it will sound boomy with music if one has set the subwoofer too high!). Or, instead, one can buy bookshelf speakers from a higher line for that same amount of money, thus getting better midbass on up.

I personally use identical bookshelf speakers (-3dB at 50Hz) all around for my surround system, which gives me perfect voice matching all around, and use two good subwoofers for the bass. I will never go back to not having identical speakers for all channels (other than subwoofer, of course).

As for the phono input, you either have to have a phono input, or a turntable with a built in phono preamp, or a separate phono preamp. It would be most convenient to have it built into your receiver, but it does not have to be that way, and it might not be cost effective, depending upon what other needs you have for a receiver.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I think the latest and upcoming Denon AVRs are great, but you can save a lot of money getting the previous models.

I think all those new features they come out with every year are insignificant, but that's just me.

For example, you could get the AVR 3310 for $830:
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR3310CI-7-1-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B002AKKFQ2/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1303484885&sr=1-8

An even better deal is the AVR-4310 for $900:
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR4310CI-7-1-Channel-Multi-Zone-Connectivity/dp/B002AKKFQC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1303484992&sr=8-1
 
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