New Home...need help with existing home sound system

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Mattiecola

Audiophyte
Hello all I am new to the forum and to home audio systems. I recently purchased a new home that has an existing home sound system. There are seven separate zones with existing wired speakers in the ceiling. All the wires are ran back to a central location with volume adjustment knobs located in each zone. The existing wires all have stranded copper wire bare connections. The previous home owner did not leave the audio receiver and I'm looking for help on where to start.

It seems the existing system may be quite dated due to the wire connection types from my research. I'm looking to purchase an audio receiver that can hook up to the existing speakers if possible and use a wireless internet or bluetooth connection to music apps to play music. Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we get these questions all the time, and I’ve yet to see one resolved to a satisfactory conclusion. The problem is that it’s impossible to trace down wiring via the internet. It requires someone actually on site. Thus, you really need to consult a local professional.

If you’re intent on DIY, the best thing to do is get a cable tracer. The clips would connect to the speaker wire, and you’ll hear a tone coming from the speaker it’s connected to. At least then you will know what wires go to which speakers, which should help you determine the equipment you need. Even then, the local volume controls are a concern as they are not all the same. Some are impedance matching, some operate on regular speaker wires.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
FWIW nothing wrong with bare wire ends for connections, just depends on the terminals available on the amplifier. Modern avrs have no problem with bare ends although many prefer to use banana plugs or other for convenience. Receivers generally are not the tool you want particularly for something wired up as yours; while some can handle multiple zones (3 or 4 is the usual limit) you still wouldn't have the best amp configuration for the job. More likely a multich amplifier for powering the speakers...perhaps you should take a look at whole house audio solutions at htd.com
 
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Mattiecola

Audiophyte
Thanks for the reply and help Wayne! I had figured that was going to be my best bet getting someone local to help but wanted to start here. Luckily the the wires are labeled for each zone so hopefully that wont be an issue. I am more looking for advice on what equipment I would need to complete the audio system. I didn't know there were different ways the volume controls could be configured so I definitely need to get that figured out.
 
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Mattiecola

Audiophyte
After more digging it looks like I have the Russound ALT-126R 126 Watt Impedance Matching Volume Control
devices existing. So since the wiring is existing it also appears these type devices take the input wiring and the output wiring to the speakers.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
To be clear, what you have has been industry standard for whole house audio for 30+ years. It's not dated, and whole house audio hasn't had any major infrastructure changes in the past 40+ years. You run wires to speakers in walls or ceilings and pull it all back to one central location. At that central location you take the wires and terminate it into a amplifier of some sort.

Bare wire ends would be very common to leave behind as the amplifier in use may have used phoenix type connection which takes raw wire into them. So, when you take off the connectors, you are left with raw wire ends. That's VERY normal.

Since all speaker zones are labeled, you then just need to put in a whole house distribution system of some sort. You can do this using a single amplifier hooked up to a single source if you would like, or you can get more creative and use more advanced systems.

Because you have 7 rooms, you run into some issues with whole house audio systems that often stop at 6 rooms, or come in groupings of 6 rooms. That is, if it costs $1,200 to get 6 rooms, it doesn't cost $1,400 to get 7. It will cost another $800 or so because you need a significant hardware jump.

But, in the SIMPLEST form: You can get a single amplifier and just plug a source into it, tie all the speaker wires together (properly) and run audio out to all the rooms. The impedance matching volume controls, if they are setup properly, will not overload the amplifier and you will get audio playback in all rooms.
If doing this, I would likely use a speaker terminal block to connect all those wires into...

More advanced would be to use an amplifier which can drive all the zones with their own discrete power. This would come from a 16-channel audio amplifier.

These can be had from about $400 or so on eBay. But, you want to be sure they ship with the Phoenix connectors so you don't have to go looking for them after the fact. The bare wires terminate into Phoenix connectors directly and they are a commonly used item in whole house audio (WHA) setups.

There are also systems which are available which can offer phone control. Where you can get rid of the in-wall volume controls and drywall things up. Then go to a system which exclusively offers you the ability to choose from different audio sources and to playback different things in different rooms if you would like to. These cost more and have a bit more time involved in the setup, but are a bit more future leaning as a technology. But, at the end of the day, they still just playback audio in the different rooms.

As a shameless plug, I do encourage you to feel free to give me a call if you happen to be in the DC area. For what it's worth @WaynePflughaupt was not actually correct as I know I've helped some get resolution to their problems here, and I did have one person call me up and I went to his home and installed a WHA system for his existing speakers that is working really well for him. So, it depends on how deep you want to dive on this.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
...The previous home owner did not leave the audio receiver and I'm looking for help on where to start.
...
Thanks!
If not too late ask the previous owner what brand and model system was there so at least one can see how it may have been integrated with it.
 

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