New amplifier and an old mixer

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JuandelPueblo

Audiophyte
Ok! this is my problem. I bougth a new amplifers sony 7.1 is a str-898 and is working great. In my old days I just to be a DJ and that one of the main reasons why I bouth that specific kind of amp. this one have a phono input for my old turnatables and mixers. I am not sure if it is the mixer or the bad set up on the amp. when i put on the headphone on the mixer it sound great.
but when I turn up the volume it sound in a low freq. So this is my Question
Is the Mixer or a Bad Set up in the Amp? Any Ideas?
Thanks for your time! :confused:
 
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JuandelPueblo

Audiophyte
mulester7, what you said makes a lot of sense and I goin to try it as soon as I get home. In reply to your questions, what I mean is that you can hear the music but with a lot of bass and realy disturded and some hum. anyway I goin try that tonight and let you know if it works!
Thanks
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
.....and one more makes 667, if, you know what I mean.....
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Do you have the mixed plugged into the Sony?

If so, what input are you using. Please don't say the phono input...
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
markw said:
If so, what input are you using. Please don't say the phono input...
.....Juandel, there's your answer....MarkW has experience in this area, and says to input the mixer to the Sony Receiver using other than the phono inputs....I'll gladly pull my stuff from the thread now that your problem is fixed.....
 
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JuandelPueblo

Audiophyte
Yes, I have the mixer Output to the sony phono input. If that wrong ,please explain to me ,Why? and what should I do to use my 2 turntables and mixer
Thanks :confused:
 

Buckle-meister

Audioholic Field Marshall
JuandelPueblo said:
Ok! this is my problem. I bougth a new amplifers sony 7.1 is a str-898 and is working great. In my old days I just to be a DJ and that one of the main reasons why I bouth that specific kind of amp. this one have a phono input for my old turnatables and mixers. I am not sure if it is the mixer or the bad set up on the amp. when i put on the headphone on the mixer it sound great.
but when I turn up the volume it sound in a low freq. So this is my Question
Is the Mixer or a Bad Set up in the Amp? Any Ideas?
Thanks for your time! :confused:
I may be able to help here.

1. JuandelPueblo, if your reciever has the ability to select Phono and you only want to play a record, connect your Deck's leads, including the Ground, directly to the Reciever

2. If you are actually wanting to mix, connect your two (at least) Decks into your mixer, including it's ground, as normal. Be aware though, that one of the reasons you are possibly hearing very bassy sound is because your Low Trim/Gain (whatever it is titled as) rotary is probably set at up to -20 or so. For sound directly as it is on the vinyl, i.e. without Tone control being applied, all your rotaries should be set at 12 o'clock, i.e. at zero. However, since it is highly unlikely given that you are mixing that you will want to do this, use the rotaries as per normal.

If doing option 2, you still need to set your various volume controls though:

Put on a record with the rotaries, including the Trim/Gain rotary set so that you are not 'red-lining' your individual channel levels when the Master Volume and individual channel 'sliders' are at max. Slowly turn up the Recievers volume until the overall volume in your room is as loud as you will want it to be. From now on, you do not need to touch the Recievers volume, nor the Master Volume on the mixer, and you should do either of the following, depending on how exactly you mix:

a. If you usually mix using a cross-fader, keep the individual channel 'sliders' at max, and only use the channel Trim/Gain rotary to control the final output volume of any given channel.

b. If you usually defeat the cross-fader and use the individual channel 'sliders' to mix (more control over the mix this way ;) ), then use the channel Trim/Gain rotaries only to prevent 'red-lining' from occuring prior to mixing, i.e. through the headphones.

And if, after all of that you still have problems, then I haven't got a clue I'm afraid! :eek:

I hope all of this made sense to you and that your problem sorts itself out.

Regards

EDIT: I've just seen your reply. You need to take a standard interconnect cable (L/R RCA jacks) from your mixers 'Master out' jacks to any input on your Reciever apart from Phono.
 
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JuandelPueblo

Audiophyte
Ok, but still I dont Understand Why I can Not use the phono Input?
Thanks
 

Buckle-meister

Audioholic Field Marshall
JuandelPueblo said:
Ok, but still I dont Understand Why I can Not use the phono Input?
The level of the signal that leaves a record player/Deck is very very low, so the Reciever has to amplify it far more than other 'Line level' signals from CD/DVD/Tape/MD players for example.

The signal leaving your mixer is at Line level (although changing the Master Volume will alter that). It has already amplified the Deck's very low signals if they are connected to it. But that is also why, if connecting a Deck directly into your Reciever, you must connect it into the Phono jacks; otherwise the Reciever will 'expect' a signal much stronger than it will be getting.

Regards
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Simply put, you are overddiving the shiite out of that poor phono input.

The only thing that should EVER be plugged into a phono input is a turntable/cartridge, and then only directly, not through a mixer.

Your mixer is both a phono level preamplifier and a standard preamplifier (with many DJ specific controls) and outputs high level output in the range of 1 to 10 volts This made for driving a power amplifiers, not preamplifiers, much less phono inputs.

A phono input is looking for the output of a phono cartridge, which is in the range of millivolts (.001) and such.

Your best bet is feeding your mixer directly into a power amplifier, not a receiver. Receivers ain't made for that. If you are very, very careful, you MIGHT get by using one of the high level (line level) inputs (Aux) but even then, it will be extremely easy to overdrive even that.
 
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Buckle-meister

Audioholic Field Marshall
markw said:
Your best bet is feeding your mixer directly into a power amplifier, not a receiver. Receivers ain't made for that.
I agree, but if JuandelPueblo sets his levels as I instructed, he should be fine.

Regards
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
In theory, yes.

I just wanted to amplify, in simple language, that he should not never, ever use the phono inputs for this. No offense, but your extremely informative post seems to have downplayed this.
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
JuandelPueblo said:
anyway I'm going to try that tonight and let you know if it works!
.....Juandel, what ended up working for you?....anything to report?.....
 
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JuandelPueblo

Audiophyte
I am a newbie in this site, but is incredible how fast help came !
Well mulester7 ,Markw was right as soon as I got home change the cable out of the phono input and look for an empty input from a video that I am not using and its working Great! so Thanks for youe time And help . :D
 
mulester7

mulester7

Audioholic Samurai
JuandelPueblo said:
I am a newbie in this site, but is incredible how fast help came !
Well mulester7, Markw was right as soon as I got home I changed the cable out of the phono input and looked for an empty input from a video that I was not using and its working Great! so Thanks for your time And help . :D
.....it was MarkW to the rescue, Juandel....it ain't the first time and won't be the last....Buckle-Meister was all over the situation too....I wanna' be just like 'em when I grow up.....
 
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