Need some help with choosing an appropriate AVR or Amp

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AlMatter

Audiophyte
Hi guys,

I read some interesting articles on your website but I must admit: as a layman i get more confused the more I read so I'm just gonna drop my question here and hope that the experts would help me.

I've been using the Onkyo TX 636 with some diverse Speakers in 5.1 setup for about one year and I am considering to update my current setup:

recently I bought the following Speakers:
- Canton Chrono 590 DC for front
- Canton Chrono 555.2
- Canton Chrono 530.2 for surround
- 2 x Canton SUB 12.2

My living room ist about 50 qm with complex geometry. While I enjoy nice, clean stereo sound when I listen to music and I am tempted to buy an integrated amplifier, I don't want to give up the 5.1 experience.

So what would you recommend: should I keep my current AVR: I mean ist it enough to power my new setup or do you think I should get an new AVR or a new Amp? Which model would you recommend? As my financial resources are pretty well exhausted for this year, I would not spend more than 800€ on a new AVR or amp.

Is there really big difference in the sound quality between an amp and an AVR?

My typical audio resources are mainly: Spotify premium, Netflix, PS4 and downloaded .mkv movies with audio ranging from stereo to DTS-HD MA and Dolby true HD. I don't have a HiFi CD player and don't intend to buy cause they are too impractical for my purpose.

Another bonus question: why do most amplifiers, even the very expensive among them have mainly cinch connections? I mean shouldn't optical or HDMI supposed to be much better. I am really confused here.

Thank you very much in advance.
 
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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
You will find some different opinions on this subject. Mine is this. Amplification is one of the least important aspects of home audio. For the most part, modern amplifiers whether embedded in receivers or not show no audible noise, distortion or variance from a linear frequency response. All that means is that modern amplifiers don't mess much with the sound and you can ignore them for most installations.

AV receivers, though, have room calibration software and they all handle it a little differently depending on the software and the room itself. So AV receivers do affect sound if you employ the room calibration. It is a matter of software and equalization, however, not the amplifiers messing with the sound. In other words your AV receiver should do just as well as an integrated amp when delivering sound. In fact the room calibration and bass management they all have might actually make things sound better to you. If it doesn't the room calibration is defeatable. You are probably fine with what you have.

HDMI are the worst and most unreliable connectors in the industry. I harbor ill will toward the designer of the HDMI connector in the same way I do about the inventor of computer telemarketing. Optical connectors are quite weak compared to the binding posts on your speakers so be glad about what you have.

In the pro audio world there is a thing called the speakon connector which is rugged and strong. You just push and twist to get a solid connection. I would love to see home audio adopt the speakon but they are large and putting somewhere between 10 and 20 of them on a typical receiver would require some serious resizing. The binding posts are a good compromise.

Good luck with the new system.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
why do most amplifiers, even the very expensive among them have mainly cinch connections? I mean shouldn't optical or HDMI supposed to be much better. I am really confused here.
Generally the more expensive and "exotic" the equipment is the more singular in function it becomes. The reason for this is that Audiophiles perpetuate the notion that this is more "pure" therefore it sounds better. While there is some truth to this it's not without its caveats. In order for an integrated amplifier or separate amplifiers and preamplifiers to achieve their tight specifications they would have to spend a considerable amount of effort and money to isolate each part of these components within the same chassis from one another to prevent interference. Without isolation you get excess noise.

A good example of where nearly no isolation is implemented would be in a all in one midi shelf system. I've seen these systems have a tape deck, DVD/CD player, AM/FM tuner, DTS & Dolby Digital decoders, MiniDisc recorder all in the same chassis and it's all poorly integrated. Basically the equivalent of assembling a computer out of spares, the performance leaves much to be desired.

Home theater receivers benefit greatly from market saturation. Because they sell a given model in such a quantity they can afford to engineer and manufacture reasonably priced home theater receivers that perform quite well. Next to their integrated amplifier brethren they cost less and offer more and frequently they offer better performance for the same money even from the same manufacturer.

Integrated amplifiers are typically easier to operate, because they are minimalist and sparse. They don't sell near the same quantity of these as they do the receivers.

HOWEVER! You being in the UK makes that performance gap per dollar a whole lot smaller because Europeans are far more likely to buy integrated amplifiers. But the better value is still probably going to be found in home theater receivers.

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I'm having trouble finding information about your speakers. I cannot find the impedance. I suspect they are likely to be 4 ohm nominal and may dip lower to achieve their advertised frequency response (referring to the towers). If they are as power hungry as they appear they might be, the TX-NR636 may prove to be unsubstantial. You might need to look at NAD, Arcam, and higher models from Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon, & Marantz. You might find you may need to go a little over budget to get what's necessary to drive them.

EDIT: I found this.

Chrono SL590DC:
• Standlautsprecher
• 3-Wege-System
• 160 Watt Dauerbelastbarkeit, 320 Watt Musikbelastbarkeit
• Frequenzgang 47 Hz – 38 kHz bei -/+ 6 dB, 52 Hz – 24,4 kHz bei -/+ 3 dB
• Empfindlichkeit 88,3 dB
• Abmessungen (BreitexHöhexTiefe in cm) 19 x 105 x 30
• Nominalimpedanz: 4 bis 8 Ohm
• Gewicht pro Stück 21 kg

For some reason it was advertised as 20Hz-40kHz, these specifications are far more meaningful. You may be able to squeak by with the Onkyo.
 
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Mark of Cenla

Full Audioholic
I agree with fmw, except I rather like HDMI: one cable with great sound and picture. And although I prefer a coax digital cable, optical cables do not bother me. Try your speakers with the receiver you already have. If it preforms up to your expectations, keep using it. If not, consider something else. Peace and goodwill.
 
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AlMatter

Audiophyte
Thank you very much for the quick responses. So basically you would recommend an AVR over an Amp for my cause. I posted my current AVR on eBay and already got some reasonable offers, so I would consider a higher model.

Canton is a german LS manufacturer and I don't think it is very popular in the western hemisphere:D

Here in Germany the amp are very much more expensive in comparison with the AVR from the same manufacturer, and here where I started to question about the difference in performance in the fist place;)
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Thank you very much for the quick responses. So basically you would recommend an AVR over an Amp for my cause. I posted my current AVR on eBay and already got some reasonable offers, so I would consider a higher model.

Canton is a german LS manufacturer and I don't think it is very popular in the western hemisphere:D

Here in Germany the amp are very much more expensive in comparison with the AVR from the same manufacturer, and here where I started to question about the difference in performance in the fist place;)
Sorry I assumed you were from the UK. No insult was intended.
 
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AlMatter

Audiophyte
non taken:) I am not german either :D and thanks again for the thorough explanation
 

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