Need help on Setting up a Home Theatre system

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Ali Ostadsaraie

Audiophyte
Hi All,

I recently joined audioholics forum. By reading some posts in this forum I found that there are many highly experienced people who I can learn from and increase my knowledge and experience in HT area.

Since I'm going to set up a HT system some time soon, I'm seeking for information that helps me to select right components so that later don't be regret of my decesion.

I visited a couple retail stores and they gave me some demo of their equipments. The more I researched the more I got confused, however, it helped me a lot to get familiar with some basic of A/V systems an current product of market.

During demos, I ltried following set up:
- B&W speakers series 700 with Rotel 1075 and 1068
- Mirage speakers (OM 5) with Arcam AVR 300
- Mcintach speakers with Mcintach 5.1 HT
- Paradigm studio 100 series speakers with Denon and Antheme
- Klipch RF35 speakers with Sony STR-DA5000ES and STR-DA3000ES
- Canton(German made), Klipch RF25 speakers with Technics

What I'm looking for is a HT system including TV, DVD player, speakers and receiver or combination of power amp. and processor. The budget for the system is $8-10k USD ($10-15K CND) more or less.

Among a wide range of TV that I tried, I may choose either a LCD rear projection TV or a 42" LG plasma TV. My decision may change, If I get any informative comments on other kind of TVs.

Among speakers, B&W series 700 and Canton were pretty good to my ears. I know that the sound quality depends on other pieces like Amps and DVD player too. May be the set up in demos were not very good, so that other speakers could not show up their capability in producing a quality sound.

The most confusing part is receiver or Amp/Proc. I read some good reviews about Aragon, Rotel, Antheme, and Arcam. I'm pretty sure there are many quality components that I have no idea abot them yet.

Any information and comment, specially on receiver and Amp/Proc, that helps me to make a right decision would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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av_phile

Senior Audioholic
You do have a bewildering amount of choices out there setting up your first decent HT. Some basic philosophies you may want to be guided with:

(1) Three components will form the very heart of an HT system. The video monitor, the AV processor and the speakers. I'd concentrate on these three very much and maybe put the szieable part of my budget on any of them.

Just a note on Plasma TVs. They're very attractive in terms of size and color brillance, but are said not to last long to be a good investment. LCDs are better in that department but are not known to give off the same brillance and sharpness.

Regarding players, most decent brands share much of the digital processing circuitries and player mechanisims. So within the same price point, there are very few edge from one to another. There's a good chance I'd get excellent audio and video from a decent entry-level player than from an entry-level receiver, amplfier or speakers.

(2) What is good for music is good for HT. But not the other way around. If you plan to have a separate music system, this may not matter much. But if you do want your HT multi-channel system to eventually play multi-channel high resolution DVD-A and SACD, or even play a stereo subset from it, it makes senses to follow this guide.

There are musical HT receivers such as ARCAM and ROTEL among your list that I have heard. You may want to check out NAD and Harman Kardon.

(3) Use speakers of similar if not identical sonic timbre or coloration all throughout. Speakers of the same series in a brand is the easiest to attain this. Again, what is good for music is good for HT, not the reverse. So you may want to consider speakers pairs or sets that are geared towards musical playback and filter out those cubes and satellite systems that can sound impressive on HT but are awful in music.

From your list, I don't think I can go wrong with a B&W paired to a ROTEL. Afterall, B&W uses Rotel as its official amp to voice and design their speakers. Not that either brand won't sound better or similar with other brands. But I'd consider it a safe match at the very least.

(4) Go separates. AV processors are the most vulnerable to obsolescence. Like Dolby prologic 10 years ago supplanted by DD and DTS today. And there are new formats like DTS-EX, DD-ES, DTS96/24, DTS neo , DPLII, DPLIIx. Soon there could be SDDS and height channel encoding. And then there is 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, etc. You will probabaly have to set your own limit as to what you want to have.

At any rate, going separate can give you the advantage of future upgradability. Dispose the AV processor, not the power amps. In a receiver, you may have to dispose all of it. If you have to get a receiver, get one with pre-amplifer outputs for ALL the channels and/or main amplifier inputs for ALL the channels. That way, you can upgrade to a more feature-laden AV processor or a more powerful mutli-channel amp later on.

(5) Do some work on your room where you plan to put your HT. There should be the least light reflection on the monitor screen from where you sit. Bass traps are ideal to get a smoother bass response. As far as possible don't let any two parallel reflecting surfaces sandwich your listening position to preclude standing waves. Treat one side to be absorptive or diffractive, not necessarily both. Thick carpeting, canvass paintings and draperies can give a much better reverb decay quality so you hear more from the speakers than secondary reflections.

(6) Don't get bogged down on which to use in audo, digital or analog. The former is pretty simple relatively speaking. In fact, most DVD-video players out there prefer this route as they don't sport the multi-channel 5.1 analog outs that universal, DVD-A or SACD players have.

In video, the digital out is preffered using the DVI termination of your player and screen. Not all receivers and players in the mid-price point sport DVI connection. But most recent plasma screens have this. So you may want to consider this in your purchase. Otherwise, the analog progressive scan via component connection would be the next best thing. Followed by interlaced component video connection. Followed by s-video. Composite video is last in terms of quality pictures.

Just my thoughts.
 
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HT System Ideas

A couple of thoughts based on my experience:

1) I went with the Yamaha VX-R2400, you would not be making a mistake with this unit, it's simply excellent for HT and very very good with music. I'm running a 7 speaker setup with a sub- Return of the King, for example, was simply amazing.

2) You didn't mention the size of room. I'm using a Sony 32" Wega CRT (regular) TV in my relatively small room. It has the setting for the anamorphic widescreen, and the pictures are excellent- while you can't get the huge screens, the color, contrast, viewing angle and detail on DVD's are still the best with the 'old' direct view CRT based technology IMHO, and the prices are reasonable. The sets are, of course, very heavy for the screen size. Don't forget that current DVD's only have 480 lines in them, so HT doesn't help you a bit. A progressive scan capable set is probably worth it, though mine isn't and the picture is excellent.

3) The Cambridge Soundworks Classic Tower is the steal of the year in HT speakers, with it's matching CenterStage Center. It was a great speaker at $1,500, and at it's current blow out price of $900/pr with free shipping plus $150 for the Center, simply can't be beat. Note that I'm not all that 'up' on the current CSW offering, though their tri-pole S300 Surround and Newton 200 bookshelves are what I use for the rears and are great for those uses.

4) Axiom Speakers offer a huge bang for the buck too, as do Hsu subwoofers.

5) Assuming you're going to be watching TV also, a TiVo sytem is worth every penny. Mine works exactly as advertised, better in fact.

6) Take your time as the shopping is half the fun and you'll be living with what you get for a long time. On the budget you mention you ought to be able to get something that beats the CinePlexes by a mile- we certainly feel that our system does and now only go to movies maybe once a year- in fact we passed on 'Return of the King' in the theaters as we felt that we'd enjoy it far more seeing it first at home.
 
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Ali Ostadsaraie

Audiophyte
Thank you for the info.

The information was very useful and I will consider them in my shopping.
BTW, the room size is 15x35. But the listening area is 15X15.

It was mentioned about NAD and Harmen Kardon, I checked out a couple of HK receivers. Its top of the line product has 75w/ch. I know HK systems are very good and many talk about the sound quality of HK, but don't you think it's better I go for a more powerful system?

I need to look at NAD receivers since I 've no idea about it yet. Do you have any recommendation on specific model of NAD?

Which receiver or amp/proc you know that has the DVI connection you mentioned?
 
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av_phile

Senior Audioholic
Ali Ostadsaraie said:
Thank you for the info.

The information was very useful and I will consider them in my shopping.
BTW, the room size is 15x35. But the listening area is 15X15.

It was mentioned about NAD and Harmen Kardon, I checked out a couple of HK receivers. Its top of the line product has 75w/ch. I know HK systems are very good and many talk about the sound quality of HK, but don't you think it's better I go for a more powerful system?

I need to look at NAD receivers since I 've no idea about it yet. Do you have any recommendation on specific model of NAD?

Which receiver or amp/proc you know that has the DVI connection you mentioned?
You can get a more powerful system. But I would do some more research on how the HK rates their gears compared to many brands out there. Their 75 wpc rating can sound just as powerful as if not more than a competing brand rated at 130wpc. HK is conservatively rated, many are not. NAD and Rotel are also conservatively rated, so a comparison can be judicious. But not with many other brands out there.

For your listening room size, I would say the 75wpc HK is just right. But to be absolutely sure, if you can ask the dealer to give you a home audition of their gears, better.
 
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