Need advice with 3k budget

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Hello to all I'm new to this forum as well to the HT game. I have a 3k budget to work with to buy a 5.1 system + Av receiver,now the room that all this is going in is rather small L:14 W:7'.2" at the front and the back and 6'.1" in the middle H:9' I'm in need of some recommendations as to what gear and setup would work in this room. Thank you for any help that you can give me. P.S I almost forgot I'll also have to get speaker cable as well with in this budget
 
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Wow, that is a very oddly shaped room, if I am picturing it correctly!
The good news is you won't need large speakers or a massive sub to fill a space like that. You won't need a real powerful amplifier either. That will save you a lot of money.

With that budget in that room, I would consider something like a Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 front with some CBM170 rears. Or perhaps a 5B setup from Aperion Audio, with a 5C center. Also consider some Emotiva 6.2 LCRs all around, or perhaps with a 6.3 center.

For a sub, a sealed 15" ought to do do very well there, and save space, as I imagine floorspace will be quite precious in that situation. A Rythmik F15 or D15SE would be very good there, as would a Hsu ULS-15. If you have a little bit more space to spare, a Epik Dragon would be competitive as well. If you are in a apartment and don't want to bother neighbors as much, go for a sealed 12" sub, like a Rythmik F12, Elemental Designs A5s-300, or Epik Vanquish, and also the SVS SB12. These are all sealed subs though, if you want more output and don't care about floorspace, look at ported subwoofers from any of the companies mentioned above. Also look at subs from Outlaw Audio.

As for recievers, a good place for inexpensive receivers is Accessories4less.com. The Audioholics store has a few good deals as well. You won't need a tremendous 130 watt per channel type receiver, you could stick with 65 or 70 watts per channel, and it will still be able to sound deafening in your room. A great place to get cable is monoprice.com or bluejeanscable.com. Don't spend a fortune on expensive cable, there are no performance benefits from those. You could also just got o Home Depot and buy a roll of 14 awg speaker cable there, it will sound just as good.
 
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Thanks shadyJ for your advice, I have check out the Svs subs seems that they have a pretty good rep from everything I've read. One model I like is the PC 12-NSD also from what I saw on their site the also do a 5.0 system as well, the SCS-01 I'm wondering if that combo would work well with this room any thoughts. Also the neighbors are a non issue I own my home plus this what I like to call a Party Block since there are parties always going on in this neighborhood.
 
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The SCS look good, and they can save room because you can mount them directly on the wall, since they are not rear ported. Personally, with that budget I would go with Ascends before SVS speakers, I have a feeling that the drivers and enclosure will be superior to the SVS speakers. I am talking about the Ascend CBM170 speakers, not the seirra-1's, which I would expect to be a good deal better (and a lot more expensive). However, I think the SVS speakers would be good, they wouldn't need as much space and they will sound nice.

Some other speakers in that class are the Hsu Research HB-1 speakers and Infinity Primus p162. Both are inexpensive relative to your budget, and both are excellent speakers. The Primus might be better for you since they are front ported, and don't need space behind them. The Hsu's are fairly sensitive, and don't need much power at all to drive loud. I have both these speakers, and they are terrific.

As for the subs, the SVS PB12 would be a very good sub, and fairly cheap too. However, with your budget, you can do better, if you wish. Any of the subs I recommended would be better performing, and smaller sized, but, of course, they are more expensive. Something else from SVS that would do better is the PC12 Plus, it wouldn't have as large of a footprint, but it would pack more of a punch. Other subs in that class are the Hsu Research VTF3 mk3, and the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX, which I think would probably have slightly more extension and a bit more output than the PB12, but they cost slightly more. They are all in the same class of subs though, and I didn't mention them before because they are larger, and I was guessing space for you is at a premium. Another sub worth worth looking at in this class is the Epik Sentinel, which would have a lot of output and not be quite as large.

If you want really deep, clean bass, check out the Epik Phoenix or the Epik Dynasty. Now that I think about it, since you are in the Chicagoland area, you could pick these up, since Epik is in Crystal Lake. Sadly though, you would have to pay sales tax, but that wouldn't cost as much as shipping. A Phoenix or Dynasty in your room would be insane though, you would have reference level bass I am guessing, and it would be superior to any movie theater that you have ever been to. With your budget though, you can afford it.

A Epik Phoenix or Dynasty, a set of Infinity Primus, SVS SCS, Ascend CBM speakers and CMT center, with something like a Onkyo Tx-sr707 receiver (from newegg!), would give you better than theater sound for less than $3k. Also get your HDMI and speaker cable from monoprice or Blue Jeans, especially the HDMI. You will pay five times as much for HDMI cable at a electronics store than at Monoprice or Blue Jeans.
 
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Thanks again I think I would go with PC12 Plus thought about that Epik but since they're right outside Chicago they'll charge me with sales tax which is 10.25% and I could'nt find out if shipping is free or do they charge for that as well, if they do than my best bet is to get a sub from SVS. I'll have to do more research on the Ascends, as far as receiver the Onkyo TX-SR707 looks good but I also like the Pioneer vsx-21txh or the Denon 2310ci Thank You again.
 
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jamie2112

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shadyj has some good points.I would get the Denon 2310ci myself with the Acsends and an SVS sub.Smoking system IMO......
 
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shadyJ

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Sales tax in Crystal Lake is not nearly that of Chicago, remember this is the suburbs! I think it is 6% or 7%. They would charge for shipping if you had it shipped, but not if you picked it up from them. The PC12 Plus would be a great sub, but the Epik Phoenix would definitely have deeper bass and more SPL. If you have the room for it, that is where I would go. If floorspace is a problem, the PC12 Plus is probably the best sub under $1K, a big punch and a small footprint. Remember to take a look at the subs from Elemental Designs too. An ED A3-350 would not cost a lot, the shipping is free, and it would be a beast in a small room. The ED subs are mostly pretty large though, with a couple exceptions.
 
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Thanks for the input jamie2112 just 1 question why the Denon 2310ci?
 
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Took another look at the Epik web site and your right the sales tax is lower 7.75% to be exact. Floor space isn't much an issue since everything else in this room is pretty much wall mounted. Just the shape of this room is a killer if you were looking at this room from above it looks like an I.
 
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Thanks for the input jamie2112 just 1 question why the Denon 2310ci?
I have owned Yamaha's Pioneer's Marantz and Denon is my favorite thats all.Everyone has their favorite you know....;)
 
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Audioholic Samurai
Are there any other suggestions from anyone else the more I have the better. and my thanks to those who give their suggestion for all their advice.
 
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This is hear-say, but I heard from someone with an Epik Sentinel that he was disappointed with the sound. He said that while it goes low and loud, there is audible distortion and it lacks the precision and articulation of his previous Hsu sub.
If it were me, I'd go with something else or wait until the new Epiks have established themselves as top performers (or not).
I would stick with a well established model and let others prove out the new models.
 
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Kew thanks for the feedback your not the first to tell me this a friend of my had said the same thing he sent his back and is now trying to decide between Hsu or SVS. I'm looking for sub that goes low and stays clean at same time.
 
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shadyJ

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I have a bunch of Hsu subs, and they are terrific. If you went with Hsu, on your budget I wouldn't get anything less than a VTF3 mk3, that is nearly flat to 16 hertz and will be a beast in your little room! The next step up from that would be a ULS-15, however that is a pretty pricey sub. It will go even lower than the VTF3 with a lot more ease, and it is smaller as well, which is why I recommended it in the first place. Just an awesome subwoofer. I have two of each, and I love em all!

As for SVS, the PC12 Plus might be just right for you, It has a small footprint, and a big sound, and it is just right for your budget. The PB12 plus would be good too, but it would eat up more floorspace and cost more without giving you substantially more performance. If you could step up to the PC13 Ultra, that would be a damned monster, and not even use a lot of floorspace either. But it would use up fully half of your budget.

If you go with any of these subs though, you will have an awesome setup!
 
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That sounds good have to check that out. Now we have covered an array of speaker and sub options how about some receivers can't run any great speakers or subs without it any input would be most appreciated. Thank again shadyJ.
 
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