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Jason Lopez

Junior Audioholic
I have a NAD C352 integrated. I have an opportunity to buy a pre-owned Creek Classic 5350SE. Would this be much of an upgrade? The seller says he's had NAD, Rotel, and Musical Fidelity, and liked the Creek better than any of them.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Of course he liked the Creek more than all of them.;) The conundrum is this, why is he selling it?

That guy is plaguing himself with thinking there's a better sounding amp than what he already has. The worst kind of upgraditus to have is one that doesn't present a significant advantage.

The only reason I might suggest trading up is if the Creek has a significantly higher output wattage than the NAD. The NAD can certainly handle virtually any load from all but the most difficult to drive speakers. An additional 5 watts is absolutely nothing, and I'd chance the NAD has higher headroom which will give it an edge with dynamics.

The specifications of the Creek seem to indicate it doesn't offer as much power on lower impedance loads than the NAD. It's slim design doesn't aid it either, since both are of the class a/b order it's going to be more difficult to get the same amount of "beef" the NAD has.

If anything, I'd say it's a downgrade. Getting a separate amplifier to use in conjunction with the NAD (being used as a preamp in this case) would provide more significant results. However the results would only be evident once you push the "envelope". (did you see what I did there?:D)

What's the asking price for the Creek?
 
J

Jason Lopez

Junior Audioholic
Of course he liked the Creek more than all of them.;) The conundrum is this, why is he selling it?

That guy is plaguing himself with thinking there's a better sounding amp than what he already has. The worst kind of upgraditus to have is one that doesn't present a significant advantage.

The only reason I might suggest trading up is if the Creek has a significantly higher output wattage than the NAD. The NAD can certainly handle virtually any load from all but the most difficult to drive speakers. An additional 5 watts is absolutely nothing, and I'd chance the NAD has higher headroom which will give it an edge with dynamics.

The specifications of the Creek seem to indicate it doesn't offer as much power on lower impedance loads than the NAD. It's slim design doesn't aid it either, since both are of the class a/b order it's going to be more difficult to get the same amount of "beef" the NAD has.

If anything, I'd say it's a downgrade. Getting a separate amplifier to use in conjunction with the NAD (being used as a preamp in this case) would provide more significant results. However the results would only be evident once you push the "envelope". (did you see what I did there?:D)

What's the asking price for the Creek?
The asking price is $815.00 obo.

He claims the passive pre-amp makes all the difference. It's like plugging your cd player directly into your amplifier.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
The asking price is $815.00 obo.

He claims the passive pre-amp makes all the difference. It's like plugging your cd player directly into your amplifier.
A passive preamp? If you are serious, run from such a preamp. Some such pres have a variable output impedance, varies with the volume. this creates a condition where it becomes a frequency filter and starts to roll of noticeably your high end. It is an uncontrolled EQ, or can be.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
A passive preamp? If you are serious, run from such a preamp. Some such pres have a variable output impedance, varies with the volume. this creates a condition where it becomes a frequency filter and starts to roll of noticeably your high end. It is an uncontrolled EQ, or can be.
So basically it colors the sound?
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Qu'est que c'est a passive pre-amp? (sorry for the brief french) . Thats the biggest oxymoron I've ever heard and I still do this day don't get it it. If its passive, there are no amplifiers involved at all even if the gain to the amp is 1.

And passive networks can't multiply a voltage or current (tank/resonantor circuits are specific to very narrow band of frequencies) so how can they be called a pre-amp?

I have no problem calling a passive pre-amp an equalizer but in no means can I put the word amp in the same name as passive. :confused:
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
So basically it colors the sound?
Passive preamps can have a variable output impedance that yes, indeed will color the sound and can do this all the way down to 5kHz, depending on the impedance.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Qu'est que c'est a passive pre-amp? (sorry for the brief french) . Thats the biggest oxymoron I've ever heard and I still do this day don't get it it. If its passive, there are no amplifiers involved at all even if the gain to the amp is 1.

And passive networks can't multiply a voltage or current (tank/resonantor circuits are specific to very narrow band of frequencies) so how can they be called a pre-amp?

I have no problem calling a passive pre-amp an equalizer but in no means can I put the word amp in the same name as passive. :confused:
Do you really need power to a step up or step down transformer? No, if the source has the voltage, right? Like a CD player? Then, it can be stepped up or down, no? All passively
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Do you really need power to a step up or step down transformer? No, if the source has the voltage, right? Like a CD player? Then, it can be stepped up or down, no? All passively
Ahh.... So thats there spin on the term passive pre-amp. Its still wrong in my book. The term "amp" refers to active devices with silicon in em.. :D not transformes... ;)
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I'm sure you are technically correct about the name inferring an active function, but I think people shopping for such a device would be less likely to find it if it was called a passive step down controller for an amplifier.;)
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I'm sure you are technically correct about the name inferring an active function, but I think people shopping for such a device would be less likely to find it if it was called a passive step down controller for an amplifier.;)
That's too funny. Thx :)
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Ahh.... So thats there spin on the term passive pre-amp. Its still wrong in my book. The term "amp" refers to active devices with silicon in em.. :D not transformes... ;)
Perhaps, preamp really means 'before the amp?' So, it is correctly named?
 
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