Well, after Gene's thorough review of the Yamaha Z11, I can't wait for the Denon Pre/Pro review. If the Denon separates can actually top the Z11, I will have to retract every negative remark I've made regarding the Denons and praise the heck out of it. Shoot if the street price on the pre/pre were to go down to $4,000, I might even buy one. But we have to wait fore Gene's review before making any more comments about the new Denon separates.