My DIY TL based audio and HT system. 50 years of audio.

TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Here are pictures of my main system I put together 2 years ago. There are pictures of some fine vintage gear here also.
 
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croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
Very nice! Looks like you have equipment spanning over a good part of the audio spectrum (useful and historic).
 
ThA tRiXtA

ThA tRiXtA

Full Audioholic
Wow... just wow. The built in computer hutch... all the speaker cabinets... all the hardware... everything is so cleanly installed, down to the last detail.

Awesome man, all I have to say. :eek:

Curiously, how did you arrive at that orientation for your center channel? Is it angled slightly forward at the top to maintain your sound stage? I can't tell from the picture if it is leaning forward at all.

From a few things I have read, it suggests that vertical position rather than horizontal is optimal... in conjunction with my other port plugging thread, I am toying with various ways to position my center channel... should I look into vertical positioning? My center is a driver - tweeter - driver configuration... I see yours is just a dual driver?
 
Djizasse

Djizasse

Senior Audioholic
WOW :eek:
Very nice, that looks really nice.

Could you elaborate on the central speaker position?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Here are pictures of my main system I put together 2 years ago. There are pictures of some fine vintage gear here also.
This speaker system has evoked curiosity on another thread. I'm posting the background on this speaker system here, to give an idea of its pedigree.

This system is rooted in developments over 70 years. It is not something that I dreamed up out of nowhere. The system actually has a long pedigree.

I will try and hit the high lights. I will also put this information on my system site.

The idea of using a Gedackt, or closed organ pipe, to load a loudspeaker was conceived by the "father" of high fidelity reproduction, Paul Voight back in the 1930s.

Gilbert Briggs, founder of Wharfedale loudspeakers, in his classic book, Sound reproduction, describes his experiments with the Voight Quarter wave pipe. He also has constructional details of a folded quarter wave pipe by Ralph West of Decca. This was designed for the GE metal cone speaker. It was sold by Decca as the Decca, Corner Horn. It is not a horn though, it is a folded Voight quarter wave pipe. It is the first folded pipe loading of a speaker I'm aware of. Paul Voight's major interest was the horn loading of speaker. He founded Lowther, who are still in business and flourishing.

http://www.lowtherloudspeakers.com/

The first addition of Gilbert Briggs Book was 1949, I have the third edition of 1953. My copy has been in my possession for 54 years, and is well worn. Some things never change. Gilbert starts his book lamenting the standards, of the average consumer, and the poor quality of much commercial sound!

Anyhow I built a Voight quarter wave pipe. The first driver was a WB 8 inch given to me by a friend of my father. When the Goodmans Axiette, designed by Ted Jordan, appeared I installed one of those and results were much better.

When the Jordan Watts drivers appeared I built a pair of Ralph West's quarter wave pipes for them. These were full range drivers, which I supplemented with a tweeter made for the BBC by Standard Telephones and cables, which later became known as the famous Coles tweeter. I had those speakers a long time and they were excellent.

During the sixties Decca asked one of their team, Dr A.R. Bailey to further develop the TL. He was seconded to Radford, the famous amplifier people who wanted to develop the TL. The team included Irvin Budd M. Fried and John Wright.

A lot of money was spent, and the world's first reverse tapered folded TL appeared.

http://www.t-linespeakers.org/classics/radford.html

Dr A.R Bailey also published a classic design in Hi-Fi news.

Radford lost interest, and Irvin Budd M. Fried formed IMF speakers. John Wright was a part of IMF. The classic IMF TL appeared.

http://imf-electronics.com/

These speakers were produced during the 70s

The BBC had a huge interest in improving monitor loudspeakers, and started a big research project. Jim Rogers, one of the great pioneers of audio, whose company produced a full line of audio equipment was heavily involved. Later Raymond Cooke founder and MOD of KEF was also involved. Many of those BBC in house designers went on to found fine loudspeaker companies. Harbeth, Chartwell and Mordant Short come to mind.
Many famous speakers came out of these developments, with the BBC granting licenses to a number of manufacturers.

Now none other, than the great Peter Walker OBE, founder and MOD of Quad Electro Acoustics was heavily involved in designing and supplying amplifiers to the BBC.

One of the most famous and legendary of the BBC monitors was the Rogers/IMF TL with amplifiers and active crossovers designed and supplied by Peter Walker. These speakers were later modified by KEF I believe. These speakers had a reputation for creating a sound field that floated in space. They were considered the most accurate speakers of the day.

In 1980 John Wight founded TDL. He was a great speaker designer, who I don't think ever deigned a bad speaker. All his offerings were superior. He produced the largest range of commercial TLs the world has seen. He died in 1999.

http://www.stereophile.com/news/10468/

The last speaker John Wright produced before he died was, as far as I know, the world's only commercial dual TL speaker. It was superb, and back then retailed over here at somewhere over 20K per pair. I think it could lay a strong claim to finest speaker using moving coil drivers ever offered to the public.

http://digilander.libero.it/piani/ca...generale-2.jpg

After I moved to Canada in 1970 I produced a number of TL designs for the Jordan Watts driver.

After coming to the US in 1976, I built the lines which are basically my center backs. They are built around the famous KEF B139, two to each line. Originally they were biamped using the KEF units and four Jordan Watts drivers as a line source. I modified, and built these drivers for the purpose. The problem, was comb filtering! So in 1984 I modified them to dual lines using in addition to the KEF units, three Dynaudio units, a low mid cone driver, an upper mid dome, and an HF dome. The 180 Hz crossover is active, so the speakers are still biamped. The other three units have a first order passive crossover, that took 10 ears to reach their final form. These were my fixed studio monitors until two years ago. When I moved my equipment to Benedict and built my new space, I rebuilt the bass lines to take advantage of the mathematical model of G.L. Ausperger published in 2000. This has made the bass a little tighter. No other changes were made.

At the request of SEAS of Norway, Joe d'Appolito developed the THOR transmission line for their Exel line of drivers. This is a superb speaker. He used Aupurger's TL model.

Now to my current system.

http://mdcarter.smugmug.com/gallery/...KGvb#127077128

The main left and rights are folded dual TLs with the tuning 1/2 octave apart. The speakers are in fact triamped.

The line containing the 7 inch drivers, uses, and develops Joe's work extensively, although it is a different line. The crossover to the tweeter is passive. These lines are driven by two Quad 909 amps providing 250 watts per channel so there are two amp channels accounted for.

The drivers in the large lines are the 10 inch SEAS Exel drivers. Fs 20 Hz. The upper two in addition to carrying the bass also provide step/diffraction compensation for the smaller drivers above. These speakers are driven by a Quad 405 II providing 100 watts per channel via an active crossover. Another two amp channels, we are now at four.

The lower 10 inch drivers are fed by active crossover at 80 Hz and reinforce the bass from the upper driver. Each is fed by a Quad 405 II. Now we are up to six amp channels. The driver spacing is much less than the wavelengths involved, so comb filtering is not an issue.

The center speaker is a TL using the SEAS coaxial drivers. The tweeter is not connected in the upper driver. The crossover of the lower coaxial driver is passive. The upper driver provides step/diffraction compensation via an active crossover. This center speaker is powered by both channels of another Quad 909. So now we are up to 8 amp channels.

The surrounds are two and a half way sealed speakers using Dynaudio drivers. Crossovers are passive. These speakers are driven by a Quad 405 II. Now we are up to 10 amp channels.

The Center backs as previously stated are biamped at 180 Hz, via active crossover. These speakers are driven by two Quad 405 IIs. So now we are up to the 14 amp channels.

The rear backs are overkill, but these speakers were far too good to part out. So I revised them. On SACD of antiphonal organs they still show their mettle, and have a deep bass reach.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Where are the amplifiers?
The amps are above the computer desk.

http://mdcarter.smugmug.com/gallery/2424008_RKGvb#127077723

I need to update the pictures. Believe it or not I had to replace the Quad 405 II driving the center channel, with a Quad 909. Believe it or not on SACDs with full organ, especially when there were lot of high frequency pipes, especially reeds, the 405II would just start to sound distressed. The 909 has solved the problem.

I need to update the pictures. But here is the current set including construction.

http://mdcarter.smugmug.com/Walberswick Studios
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Nice, that room looks like you should be wearing a germ free outfit when in there, like a clean room.:D
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Wow... just wow. The built in computer hutch... all the speaker cabinets... all the hardware... everything is so cleanly installed, down to the last detail.

Awesome man, all I have to say. :eek:

Curiously, how did you arrive at that orientation for your center channel? Is it angled slightly forward at the top to maintain your sound stage? I can't tell from the picture if it is leaning forward at all.

From a few things I have read, it suggests that vertical position rather than horizontal is optimal... in conjunction with my other port plugging thread, I am toying with various ways to position my center channel... should I look into vertical positioning? My center is a driver - tweeter - driver configuration... I see yours is just a dual driver?
Yes the center driver is tilted to the listening position.

http://mdcarter.smugmug.com/gallery/2424278_zibdm#127085269

The drivers are SEAS coaxial, however the tweeter is not used on the upper driver. The upper driver is for step/diffraction compensation. I have posted fuller details of the pedigree of the system. The sound seems as if it is coming right from the screen.

I have posted a lot about center channel speakers. This is the toughest challenge of all. I have found the use of this coaxial driver to be very satisfactory. The horizontal MTM has nothing to recommend it except aesthetics.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Nice, that room looks like you should be wearing a germ free outfit when in there, like a clean room.:D
Those pictures were taken a short while after I completed the project. However it is holding up well.

When more opera is available on Blue Ray and when the new Rotel preamp/processor is released that can decode Dolby True HD, I will update the preamp and add a Blue Ray player. Opera are just staring to be released on Blue Ray disc recorded in discrete multi channel. Rotel have told me they expect to introduce their new preamp sometime this fall.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
WOW :eek:
Very nice, that looks really nice.

Could you elaborate on the central speaker position?
I have posted quite a bit about the problems of center speakers. The center speaker presents the designer with a huge challenge. I last posted about center speakers in this thread.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42415

My center speakers are angled to the listening position.

http://mdcarter.smugmug.com/gallery/2424278_zibdm#127085269

This center is a TL using SEAS coaxial drivers. The tweeter is not used in the upper driver. The upper driver is the active fill driver for step/diffraction compensation. I have added details about the pedigree of the system in another post in this thread.
 
Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

Audioholic Field Marshall
Wow! That is an amazing setup. You really spent some time and effort on that, and it shows. I especially like the wood work, very nice indeed.

Jack
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
It will be interesting to see the Rotel HDMI 1.3 equipped pre/pros when they become available.:)
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Great setup. It's also nice to hear how a system can evolve over such a long period of time.
 
B

Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
TLS,

Nice job on those speakers and nice seats!! It looks like you've put a lot of work into construction....

(pretty impressive wall of components too)

enjoy:cool:
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
TLS,

Nice job on those speakers and nice seats!! It looks like you've put a lot of work into construction....

(pretty impressive wall of components too)

enjoy:cool:
The chairs are Montana chairs.

My eldest daughter picked them out. She is a board certified architect and interior designer and has her own firm with Philip Koski. She know where to get the right gear, and spend her father's money!

http://www.inlandoffice.com/about/people/

Most of the equipment I have had since new. Only the three Revox A 77s are restorations from wrecks I bought on eBay. The museum aspect to this is something that rally fascinates visitors, especially when they hear how well it stacks up against modern digital equipment.

My daughter just did the dimensions of the room and mechanical chase. She left the rest of this room to me. I did follow her finish schedule though.
 
J

jamie2112

Banned
Wow

That is amazing!! holy cow is that a hell of a system. Congrates on the A/V room from heaven....
 
rmk

rmk

Audioholic Chief
Very, very nice system/room you have put together. Looks like audio nirvana:cool:.

Have you ever thought of doing a projector and an AT powered screen? The plasma could stay and the projection system could be almost invisible when not in use. A projector and screen would dramatically improve your movie viewing experience.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Very, very nice system/room you have put together. Looks like audio nirvana:cool:.

Have you ever thought of doing a projector and an AT powered screen? The plasma could stay and the projection system could be almost invisible when not in use. A projector and screen would dramatically improve your movie viewing experience.
It is interesting you should say that. I did put power up behind the beam to power a screen. However this is mainly an audio room. A projection screen in this room would have to be used after dark.

The other issue is, that I did take professional advice on the correct size screen.
This plasma is the correct size for the front seat position. I think this set gives an excellent and very natural picture. No one in the family has felt the need for a bigger screen, and that includes one of my son in laws, who is a big movie buff.
 

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