ivseenbetter

ivseenbetter

Senior Audioholic
I read this article:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/07/news/companies/gm/index.htm?postversion=2008110711

Although I believe the auto industry is hurting…the way this article is written makes me feel like folks are just giving up and blatantly asking for bail out funds. Will the gov give them money? And if they do, will we start hearing about how the GM execs went on a “getaway” afterwards? This whole bail out thing feels soooooo wrong, whether it was necessary or not.
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
This was one of my strongest arguments against the mortgage lender bailout plan - yes, I was very divided as to its implications vs. the benefit given the circumstances, but feared that it would set too strong a precedence. :( Perhaps we are seeing this already...
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
This was one of my strongest arguments against the mortgage lender bailout plan - yes, I was very divided as to its implications vs. the benefit given the circumstances, but feared that it would set too strong a precedence. :( Perhaps we are seeing this already...
I pretty much felt the same way. I didn't like the bailout, but saw why it was necessary if done right. I too was worried about setting a precedence. I'd take advantage of this move by GM and basically give them a flat out no which would discourage others from approaching.
 
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Exit

Audioholic Chief
The government gave Chrysler a bailout in the 80's and Chrysler paid it back. I don't see why they couldn't do the same thing again for GM. It's not so much for the corporation but all the people that work there.
 
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Mort Corey

Senior Audioholic
GM is going to have to do some serious downsizing in order to survive. Handing them a wad of cash is just going to prolong the agony. The Buick and Pontiac nameplates are probably going to be history. Even with some spare change and a little time, it's not going to end well if nobody is buying their product. Chrysler and Ford aren't in any better shape.

JMO, but the only thing I can see as possibly returning GM to viability is if they can bring the Volt to market....and needless to say, have it be a reliable and somewhat affordable product.

Mort
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
One thing to consider is that the auto industry is in fact a strategic national asset. When push comes to shove, America's production capacity is a strategic advantage in any conflict, whether it be churning out Hummers, artillery or aircraft parts in tremendous quantity. Auto plants can be easily converted to military production if need be. I know the plants on our site built thousands of armoured personnel carriers during WWII. If all American production capacity is closed and turned over to Japan, China, Korea, etc., the US can find itself at a serious disadvantage if a real conflict were to emerge.

From a business perspective, I don't really like the idea of a bailout but it is better than the alternative. Plus, you need to consider the business/government relationship in the offshore auto companies. Basically, the Japanese government financed the development of Toyota's hybrid battery system with which it is now conquering the US market. The US automakers thus far have had no similar assistance from the US government and so find themselves that much further behind in technology and that much poorer from attempting to finance that research and development themselves. Not only that, but the Japanes government offers their domestic automakers a protected home market, free from competition from our domestic producers. Essentially, the Japanese government has provided a safe, secure and well-subsidized domestic market from which it's automakers can expand around the globe. Domestically, the US government has been relatively hostile to it's own automakers in comparison.

From a consumer perspective, I don't understand the bias against North American vehicles. The quality, economy and price of the vehicles are equal to or better than their offshore equivalents, yet this does not seem to register in consumers' minds.
 

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