mitsu 1080p rear projection hdtv

[MR M.l.]

Is it worth waiting for this or will the difference between the new model and the current models be negligible.

 

[Duffinator]

Yes I'd wait. Five years from now nobody is going to want a 720P set. How often do you buy a new TV? Every 10 years? I'd wait.

 

[RMK!]

Where's the beef?

Is it worth waiting for this or will the difference between the new model and the current models be negligible.

I'm in early stage DLP/LCD purchase mode and look at it this way. Unless you play video games true 1080P content is quite a ways off. I intend to get the best picture quality for the dollar spent when I buy regardless of format. A good 720P display viewed from the correct distance provides an amazing HD picture. I have seen the new Sony Qualia 006 ($13,000 x 70") and it is an awesome display but the price is almost triple what the Samsung or Sony 720P 67"-70" units cost. The new 1080P Sony/Samsung (pick a brand) are arriving now and that will drive the price of 720P units even lower.

With technology moving as fast as it is there is a significant premium paid for early buy-in to the latest technology. The television market is looking just like the computer market in terms of upgrading and don't think the video manufacturers don't understand this… their licking their chops. People will be upgrading the TV's every couple of years instead of every 10 (sorry Duffinator). Who would have thought 10 years ago that average person would be buying and upgrading computers at the rate they are currently. Besides all the psychological factors, technology innovation, and marketing will drive this. That’s my take.

PS Here is an article referenced on another forum: http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/reality.htm

 

[AVRat]

Economic Frugality

This begs the question, do you suffer from upgraditis or are you a thrifty consumer? How much longer can you live with what you are currently using?

Granted, early adopters pay a premium, but if you wait when do you jump in. After all, 720p hasn't been with us very long and we're already looking at 1080p. Personally, I think 1080p will be with us for a while. With the 1080p you'll be able to sit closer for the big screen appeal, though a 720p set will work great as well if the piggy's tight.

Mitsubishi 720p models that came out last year are down $500 - $1000 this year. Jumping from 720 to 1080 gives you about a 125% increase in resolution. The law of diminishing returns is getting close as to how much more resolution we really need. Fortunately, our human visual acuity is the limiting factor.

I have a 60", 4:3, CRT RPTV Mitsubishi that I purchased 10 years ago for $4500. It only allows me up to S-video quality, but it still gives me a great picture and I've only had it recalibrated once 3 years ago. That said, I may be giving myself a nice present this christmas or birthday next summer.

 

[MR M.l.]

I can buy a 60 inch sony xs955 lcd rp for $3300. Good deal or bad.

 

[Duffinator]

I can buy a 60 inch sony xs955 lcd rp for $3300. Good deal or bad.

That seems like a reasonable price but I don't follow the Sony products as closely as Samsung and Mitsubishi. I've compared the Sony with the Samsung and thought the Samsung had the better picture. But the Sony does look good. One advantage with the Sony is it has three chips instead of one plus a color wheel. The prices on the micro display sets have dropped a lot recently. I'm pretty sure you can get the Samsung 61" for that price or less. As long as you like the picture quality, and you are not going to wait for 1080P , go for it. And when it comes to HT I always say the bigger the display the better.

 

[GettinDegreez]

This is what I don't get about this industry. Why all the bsing around? Why can't they just give the consumers the best at the moment, 1080p/60 video and 7.1 24-bit 192kHz sound, now. I guess it's just a matter of greed, trying to milk us dry. My family has had a 32" Toshiba CRT for about 12 years now and we paid less than $1000 for it. It works great and it has been running about 10 hours a day for the past 12 years, not one bit of trouble. Sure it isn't HDTV or anything special, but why would I want to go drop 2-13k on a new TV that isn't "full HD" technology when a few years later full HD will come out and I have to go upgrade again. I hope the TV industry doesn't think they can work us like the computer industry works some of us. When I buy upgraded computer parts, I may spend on one part about 400 bucks max(video card being the most expensive). Dropping multiple g's every few years isn't my idea of a smart upgrade. I doubt many of the new multi-thousand dollar TVs will last as long as old TVs once did.

By the time they get this thing right they will already by hyping up UHDTV that's 7,680 by 4320 and 22.2 channel audio, but that's at least another 15 to 20 years away.

Hopefully someday we can get like it used to be where you by a new TV when your old one died.

I'm in early stage DLP/LCD purchase mode and look at it this way. Unless you play video games true 1080P content is quite a ways off. I intend to get the best picture quality for the dollar spent when I buy regardless of format. A good 720P display viewed from the correct distance provides an amazing HD picture. I have seen the new Sony Qualia 006 ($13,000 x 70") and it is an awesome display but the price is almost triple what the Samsung or Sony 720P 67"-70" units cost. The new 1080P Sony/Samsung (pick a brand) are arriving now and that will drive the price of 720P units even lower.

With technology moving as fast as it is there is a significant premium paid for early buy-in to the latest technology. The television market is looking just like the computer market in terms of upgrading and don't think the video manufacturers don't understand this… their licking their chops. People will be upgrading the TV's every couple of years instead of every 10 (sorry Duffinator). Who would have thought 10 years ago that average person would be buying and upgrading computers at the rate they are currently. Besides all the psychological factors, technology innovation, and marketing will drive this. That’s my take.

PS Here is an article referenced on another forum: http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/reality.htm

 

[Rabuf999]

So let me get this straight... the lag between content for 720 vs. 1081p makes waiting for the new Samsung/Mitsu dlp's a waste of time. I can get a 61" 720 Mitsu today for $2,400, new. Sounds like you are all saying that is the way to go.

 

[Duffinator]

So let me get this straight... the lag between content for 720 vs. 1081p makes waiting for the new Samsung/Mitsu dlp's a waste of time. I can get a 61" 720 Mitsu today for $2,400, new. Sounds like you are all saying that is the way to go.

Not me, I say wait another 30days. What lag are you talking about? The new HD formats will be 1080P. 720P displays mainly exists because the fixed pixel manufacturers were unable, at the time, to make the jump between 480i and 1080P in large screen sizes. Now almost all of them have or will have the capability very soon. Five years from now nobody is going to be buying large screen TV's or projectors that only display 720P.

 

[Rabuf999]

Thanks for responding Duffinator:

The lag I referred to was from the link to the hdtv expert article. Seemed like the author believed that there would be a 10 year gap between 1080p hardware and 1080p broadcast material.

 

[BMXTRIX]

This is what I don't get about this industry. Why all the bsing around? Why can't they just give the consumers the best at the moment, 1080p/60 video and 7.1 24-bit 192kHz sound, now. I guess it's just a matter of greed, trying to milk us dry. My family has had a 32" Toshiba CRT for about 12 years now and we paid less than $1000 for it. It works great and it has been running about 10 hours a day for the past 12 years, not one bit of trouble. Sure it isn't HDTV or anything special, but why would I want to go drop 2-13k on a new TV that isn't "full HD" technology when a few years later full HD will come out and I have to go upgrade again. I hope the TV industry doesn't think they can work us like the computer industry works some of us. When I buy upgraded computer parts, I may spend on one part about 400 bucks max(video card being the most expensive). Dropping multiple g's every few years isn't my idea of a smart upgrade. I doubt many of the new multi-thousand dollar TVs will last as long as old TVs once did.

By the time they get this thing right they will already by hyping up UHDTV that's 7,680 by 4320 and 22.2 channel audio, but that's at least another 15 to 20 years away.

Hopefully someday we can get like it used to be where you by a new TV when your old one died.

It's not BS, it is all about data!

In broadcast, you aren't likely to see 1080p for a while I would expect. Ten years or more I would almost call conservative. But, on HD discs and computers you can already do 1080p or higher (computers). Accepting 1080p into projectors is not a big deal. Optoma does this with several of their 720p projectors already.

Source material at 1080/24p (matching films native rate) will be common I expect from HD discs next year.

I also expect that we will see $10Kish front projectors out which will take full advantage of 1080/24p.

Yes, it sounds like companies are jerking us around, but they are actually pushing forward about as fast as they can. 1920x1080 is about 2 million pixels that must be updated upwards of 60 times a second. The processing to do that is incredibly complex and you want to maintain video quality and have it for cheap.

Dang - not asking much are we?

Then, there is only so much data that can be carried on your cable line or by satellite receivers in the sky. They aren't going to double or triple the quality of viewing and drop half their channel line up. They want to fit as much data as possible into the bandwidth they have available to them. They will wait for new technologies to come into existence that allow for more channels in the same bandwidth (mpeg4?) and will do what makes the most sense for their bottom line. $$$

We lived with 480i regular TV for 30+ years... do you think they are in some crazy rush now?

 

[AVRat]

Sony's a good deal

The price is in-line with the Mits. I just checked pricing and they've dropped more than I thought. However, if you can wait till Christmas you might save $500.


Rabuf999,
Which model and where did you find it for $2400.

 

[Rabuf999]

Sorry AvRat, I am not sure of the model. It was offered through Sound Advice, a retail chain in Central Florida.

 

[kdiddy]

Im sure most of you may know this by now, but these 1080p DLP sets coming out wont be able to accept an actual 1080p signal. From what Ive gathered they use "wobulation" to double the pixels. I would explain but Im not the expert on it yet, but I'm trying. Sound and Visions new issue did a great review on the new lower line 1080p Mits, and explained the 1080p chip in detail. I would go pick that issue up, or at least loiter in one of you near by book stores for a couple of minutes to get the scoop. It seems that the TV's will accept a 1080i image, then do the 1080p "processsing" internally. The tv got lots of praise. No visible pixles, awesome black level and great contrast. Bad thing was it still couldnt resolve all the lines in a 1080i picture format. Hopefully I didnt fry anyone brain, just pick up the issue or do a search on the matter for further explaination.

 

[msugarpants]

1080 or 720

I read that article. It was very good...but did not help me decide what to do. Tweeter right now has the last generation of DLP diamond series with the 120 gig Hard Drive at wonderful prices. Yet, i want to keep up with time, or be ahead of the game with the new 1080p mits, or even wait a while for SED (anyone know anything about that?) So, let me get this straight: DVD's are only 480. Upconverted, they are 720 or something. (is 720p the same as 1080i??) No tv networks broadcast in 1080p and they will not for some time (how long??). Blu ray is not even sure if it will be 1080p, from what i read....although it is assumed they will, it is just unannounced thus far...
The only way to get the most out of this TV is with a PS3 or Xbox 2, right? what will future versions of this chip be like? you mentioned these TV are not truly capable of displaying 1080p.

So, why would anyone want this, besides to keep up with the simpons! I want to know what the difference is between the two...i hope to sit down with both of them at tweeter, make sure they are calibrated the same, and see the difference for myself. whenever i get a chance to do that, i will repost on this site. (give me a week or so...tweeter does not have the 1080p on display yet here). meanwhile, if anyone knows the difference, i would love to hear it.
mike

 

[Duffinator]

I read that article. It was very good...but did not help me decide what to do. Tweeter right now has the last generation of DLP diamond series with the 120 gig Hard Drive at wonderful prices. Yet, i want to keep up with time, or be ahead of the game with the new 1080p mits, or even wait a while for SED (anyone know anything about that?) So, let me get this straight: DVD's are only 480. Upconverted, they are 720 or something. (is 720p the same as 1080i??) No tv networks broadcast in 1080p and they will not for some time (how long??). Blu ray is not even sure if it will be 1080p, from what i read....although it is assumed they will, it is just unannounced thus far...
The only way to get the most out of this TV is with a PS3 or Xbox 2, right? what will future versions of this chip be like? you mentioned these TV are not truly capable of displaying 1080p.

So, why would anyone want this, besides to keep up with the simpons! I want to know what the difference is between the two...i hope to sit down with both of them at tweeter, make sure they are calibrated the same, and see the difference for myself. whenever i get a chance to do that, i will repost on this site. (give me a week or so...tweeter does not have the 1080p on display yet here). meanwhile, if anyone knows the difference, i would love to hear it.
mike

A 1920x1080 picture has twice the resolution of a 1280x720 one. Some prefer a progressive scan picture over an interlaced, especially with fast moving scenes, but I don't see any bluring on a 1080i display. For example I prefer ever so slightly the picture on CBS 1080i broadcast of football vs. SNF or MNF 720P broadcast. On a big screen you should be able to see the difference although 720P does do a nice job. On a 120" screen a 1080P image from a projector should be very noticeable. Whether or not the display or source does the interlacing doesn't make a difference if they are both of the same quality. But many, including me, would prefer that the new displays accept a 1080P input so you have options on the deinterlacing. IMO the 720P chip based sets will be dinosaurs within a couple of years. Now that the 1080P sets are out and look terrific I would buy a 720P set for a secondary viewing area like a bedroom but not for my HT. And regardless of whether HD and BD DVD output a 1080P source image you would still want to watch the DVD's on a 1080P display for the best picture quality.