MGM vs New Line vs Jackons vs LOTR Fans

mpompey

mpompey

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What do you guys think? Do you think MGM will bankroll a Hobbit film without Jackson at the helm?

Personally, I would love it if MGM stepped in and resolved the dispute, or mitigate it in some other way, so Jackson and his crew could command the Hobbit.

However, I realize that MGM or any of this other big studios first love is to EASY profit. Hence, Dukes of Hazzard 2, I Spy, and other regurgitated crap that they will bankroll, instead of things with substance.

That my $.02, what's yours?
 
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Jedi2016

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I'm not sure if MGM is even involved at this point. From what Peter said the other day, I think the dispute is solely between Wingnut Films (Peter's production company) and New Line.

The part I don't understand is New Line's inability to simply comply with what Wingnut is asking (especially since they're not even asking for money). The whole thing could be settled inside of a month, there's no reason to think it will take years upon years to get it settled. Then they could move on.

I hope that New Line realizes the scope of the negative backlash this has already generated.. just on the hint that Peter Jackson and Company might not be involved in The Hobbit. If they do it with someone else, it will probably end up being a decent movie.. BUT... it's not going to look, or feel, like the same Middle Earth that was in LOTR. And most likely they wouldn't be able to get the actors back that they need. It's questionable whether Ian Holm could play Bilbo (as much as we'd all like to see it, he's an old man now), but without Peter, I doubt they'd get Ian McKellan back to play Gandalf, and I know for certain they'd never get Andy Serkis for Gollum.
 
mpompey

mpompey

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There was a post on theonering.net regarding MGM stating that the Jackson dispute wasn't final yet as far as they were concerned and they still were hoping to work with Jackson and crew.

Jackson should have the time since Halo got scrapped.

It seems that producers and studios could care less about backlash from fans, if they did X-Men 3, Alien3, Revenge of the Sith, the Fantastic Four would not have been made the way they were.
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

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Whats wrong with the current Hobbit movie? :confused:
 
mpompey

mpompey

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Nothing, I grew up with the Bakshi animated film. Its what introduced me to Tolkien's books. Tell me you wouldn't love to see Mirkwood done up by Weta.
 
J

Jedi2016

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mpompey said:
Tell me you wouldn't love to see Mirkwood done up by Weta.
Yeah, Mirkwood's nice and all... But I wanna see Smaug. :)

I also want to see (just for s**ts and grins) Legolas make a cameo as a background character in the scenes with the woodland Elves. Tolkien never mentioned that Legolas was there, but that is where he lived prior to the events in LOTR.
 
mpompey

mpompey

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Smaug would be glorious, ONLY if it was done right.

I must say, when I first saw Fellowship at a midnight sneak preview, the scene when the Balrog appears was everything I had hoped for. The creature was more than I imagined when I first read tokien as a boy.

I just hope if the Hobbit does get made, that kind of dedication is given to Smaug. I hope they don't try to cram the whole book into a 90 minute film.
 
J

Jedi2016

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This just in:

As Lord of the Rings fans mounted a protest following word that New Line had dropped Peter Jackson from consideration as director of The Hobbit and another Lord of the Rings prequel, producer Saul Zaentz has given assurances that Jackson will indeed direct the two films. A German website, Elbenwald.de, posted an interview with Zaentz, who acquired the rights to the works of the late Rings writer, J.R.R. Tolkien, in 1976 (the Saul Zaentz Company owns Tolkien Enterprises), in which Zaentz says, "It will definitely be shot by Peter Jackson. ... Next year The Hobbit rights will fall back to my company. I suppose that Peter will wait because he knows that he will make the best deal with us. And he is fed up with the studios: to get his profit share on the Rings trilogy he had to sue New Line. With us, in contrast, he knows that he will be paid fairly and artistically supported without reservation."

The owner of the film rights says Peter will make them. While it's not concrete, it's damn good news.
 

Buckle-meister

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Why is everyone so set on Peter Jackson?

Fair enough, he did a superb job of lord of the rings, but he did a fairly poor job of King Kong in my opinion, so who's to say that another Director wouldn't do a better job of The Hobbit?
 
racquetman

racquetman

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Buckle-meister said:
Why is everyone so set on Peter Jackson?

Fair enough, he did a superb job of lord of the rings, but he did a fairly poor job of King Kong in my opinion, so who's to say that another Director wouldn't do a better job of The Hobbit?
Peter Jackson poured his heart and soul into the LotR movies. The attention to detail that went into the movies was incredible. They also didn't just do everything with CG. They made tons of models (bigatures as opposed to miniatures). Just watch one of the features on one of the DVDs about the making of the movies and you will realize why everyone wants him to do the Hobbit.

I agree with you that King Kong wasn't that impressive. He did put a lot of time and effort into it, but it didn't end up doing much for me. The whole this was a little too cheesy.

I want PJ back so that The Hobbit will look and feel entirely like the LotR movies. Getting the right actors back would be a big plus also. It would be hard to see someone else playing Bilbo and Gandolf for example (even though their ages may not allow it anyway).
 
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Jedi2016

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alandamp said:
It would be hard to see someone else playing Bilbo and Gandolf for example (even though their ages may not allow it anyway).
Bilbo, maybe. They used makeup on Ian Holm for the one scene where he played "young Bilbo", and I don't know if they'd want to do that for an entire film.

Gandalf, on the other hand. Ian McKellan isn't that old, and it doesn't really matter for the character. Olórin is nearly as old as time itself. His physical appearance as Gandalf has remained unchanged for thousands of years. So as long as they can put the nose back on Ian to make him Gandalf, he'll be fine.
 

Buckle-meister

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Just remember that The Hobbit was written as a children's book. I suspect that some posting here may be disappointed if the 'feel' of a The Hobbit film wasn't similar to the more mature The Lord of the Rings.

I also think that The Hobbit should be just one film and not split into two. The Hobbit, after all, was just one book. Besides, if one film gave an audience the impression of squashing a lot of events into a small time frame, it would only agree that much more with the feeling one gets with the book The Hobbit itself and other short novels; a fast pace through neccessity.
 
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Jedi2016

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Correction.. it ended up as a children's book, because that was the only way Tolkien could market his idea. Considering everything else Tolkien wrote, The Hobbit is almost a fluke, coming out the way it did. I think making it more like LOTR would actually be closer to what Tolkien originally wanted it to be, especially since they could fill it with all the various tidbits and "what was really going on" info from other Tolkien works.

It's not going to split into two films, though. One film will the The Hobbit, the other is supposed to be some kind of compliation of other Tolkien works to fill in the gap between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.
 
mpompey

mpompey

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Talk about some good news...

I hope it plays out that way.
 
skizzerflake

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Buckle-meister said:
Why is everyone so set on Peter Jackson?

Fair enough, he did a superb job of lord of the rings, but he did a fairly poor job of King Kong in my opinion, so who's to say that another Director wouldn't do a better job of The Hobbit?
I think people are set on PJ because, after the 6 LOTR movies (3 in the theater and 3 long ones on DVD), he and his style, as well as that of his collaborators, IS Middle Earth in the movies. There's much to be said for consistency and as nit-picky as LOTR fans are, I think any other director would have a built in handicap just by being different. LOTR was the biggest movie phenom in decades and many people are quite attached to PJ's take on the story.
 
mpompey

mpompey

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In addition, there was a level of dedication and attention to detail in the films that brought volumes to the on screen experience. Jackson took a series of books, that were unapproachable to many, and brought their imagery to the masses.

I know hard core fans weren't too happy with the films, but for me they can exist side by side with the books.

GO JACKSON!!!
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

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That's how I see it, it is a slightly different interpretation of the story. MOST of the feel of the story is captured, and there were definitley areas where I felt the team excelled with these movies. It is only some fine details and things that were changed slightly that got under my skin, but I can live with with what PJ produced.

While I read The Hobbit when I was young, I didn't find it to be much of a "children's" book, it was more of an adolescent book. It certainly has a different feel from most of the LOTR books however. I can't say I would want someone else to direct this film, simply because Jackson and crew were so deeply involved with the others....and I know they will do Smaug right :)

The other part that I like from that blurb is :

As Lord of the Rings fans mounted a protest following word that New Line had dropped Peter Jackson from consideration as director of The Hobbit and another Lord of the Rings prequel, producer Saul Zaentz has given assurances that Jackson will indeed direct the two films.
So what "other" prequel might that be? Unfinished Tales? Silmarillion? A conglomeration of excerpts from all of the other books?
 
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Jedi2016

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From what I understand, the second film will somehow bridge the gap between The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, most likely using Tolkien's unfinished works. I, for one, haven't read ALL of Tolkien's stuff.. I have the "big four", The Silmarillion, and Unfinished Tales, but I know there's a bunch of other stuff out there.

One problem that Jackson (or any director) will have is trying to get the feel of The Hobbit to match what's in the LOTR films. I'm going back and reading them all, and The Hobbit is very much written as a children's book, even though Tolkien would later incorporate those elements more firmly into the "real" Middle Earth that was created for LOTR.

I'm starting to think of the way The Hobbit was written... if they look at it as though the book that Bilbo wrote is an adaptation of Bilbo's adventures, and perhaps not a "true" representation of what really happened (as if Bilbo re-wrote his adventures as a children's tale for little hobbits), then a director could alter events to be darker and grittier while still maintaining the overall story elements. Because I personally don't think you could make such a "goofy" kid's movie in Peter Jackson's Middle-Earth.

Plus, he'd be able to incorporate other Tolkien elements into The Hobbit. In the Unfinished Tales book, there's one section that amounts to a "deleted scene" from Lord of the Rings, where Gandalf details the precise reasons why he sent the dwarves to Erebor (it was his idea, not Thorin's), and how it was he came to choose Bilbo as their final companion. Very interesting read, that.

I think the "Why Jackson?" argument has already been answered.. consistancy with an already-created world. But also remember that before these films, most people thought that LOTR was unfilmable, that it could never make the transition to the screen. While some story elements were changed here, and there, I do think that Jackson did indeed do the impossible. That's the greatest compliment I can think of to Jackson's work on LOTR... "You did it."
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

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At last count, I believe there are approximately 16 related books total, including the "big four". I have not read, or even seen, most of them either.
 
mpompey

mpompey

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All of these are excellent reasons. Too bad the major underlying reason that studios make books into movies is money. If it were to give an exciting, memorable storytelling experience to the audience, then this would have never been an issue.
 

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