Marantz SR4300 Upgrade.

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jdsony

Audiophyte
I haven't been keeping up with new receivers over the last 6 months or so and I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions on upgrade paths.

My System currently consists of:

Fronts: Athena AS-F2's
Center: Athena AS-C1
Rear: Athena AS-B2's
Sub: Athena AS-P400

Receiver: Marantz SR4300

I should have done some more research on my Marantz amp at the time I bought it but I was brand new to surround sound and home theater. After a lot of research long after the fact I have found that the SR4300 has a crossover locked at 100hz even when speakers are set to large (I believe setting them to small sets the crossover to 120hz). Being limited like this makes having large tower speakers almost pointless. The subwoofer gives me a lot of low bass but it doesn't seem as natural as the sound you get from speakers covering the full range (I think I'm missing some midbass). While for movies it's not as critical, music is something I would like to listen to with as little reliance on the sub as possible. The Marantz is great in other regards, the remote could be much better but the sound is crisp and clear and gives me more volume than I could ever need with no distortion.

Does anyone have any recommendations for good budget receivers in around the $500 range that would be a good match for my speakers? Even brands to avoid with my setup or in general would be helpful. Performance is the top priority but looks matter to me as well. I like simple/retro styling the most.

Also will using my Receiver as a preamp eliminate the crossover set at 100hz?
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
For all the models below the 7300, the x-over was fixed at 100Hz regardless of speaker size and using the receiver as a pre/pro will retain the same x-over. When you set your speakers to large, they do not use the x-over at all; it only applies to the sub pre-out but with your other speakers set to large you would then be able to use the sub's x-over to control where it blends in.

Your F2s are good to about 30Hz but the rest of your speakers are probably fine with a 100Hz x-over. Anything lower than 80Hz would probably create a dip in your response with all but the main speakers. What you may want to consider is a Harman Kardon model in your price range that allows various groups of speakers to have different x-overs set for them (mains, center, surround, etc...). If you are just looking for something that has adjustable x-over, I believe all of the x500 and newer models have it, though not as flexible as the H/Ks. The 4600 was just announced on Marantz website recently and allows 80/100/120Hz, which I believe is the same for most of the models and is the same as what the 4400 has (I bought and setup a 4400 for my dad). I would go with the 5x00 because they have OSD for configuration/calibration.

To listen to music without the sub, use Source Direct. It bypasses your speaker settings and tone controls, so when listening to stereo, the sub is not used.
 
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jdsony

Audiophyte
Thanks for the info. I can't find anything on any x500 series of Harman Kardon though. An OSD would be a nice feature as well as adjustable crossover for different speakers.

Anyone know about this receiver? "Pioneer VSX-1015TX". For the price it seems like a steal but I'm not normally one to look at Pioneer. I'm reading some posts about it now.

* I also meant to ask if this amp would be too bright in combination with my speakers.
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Sorry, I should have been more clear. The "x"500 (4500, 5500, etc...) series would be from Marantz. Marantz x-over is still global.

The "triple x-over" is available on the H/K x35 (AVR-235, 335) and x40 (AVR-240, 340) models; not sure about the x30 series. I believe most of the Sonys also have variable x-over for individual speakers but I don't like Sony's receivers so I don't recommend them.

My personal opinion of the 1015 is no go. The Pioneers are faily neutral, but I don't find them to be great with music. H/K and Marantz are much better in that regard.

You might also look at www.ac4l.com if you don't mind refurb. The 5500 is $399 with a 1yr warranty.
 
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jdsony

Audiophyte
Yeah thanks for the response. I'm reading a long string of posts on the AVSForum about the Pioneer and it's a general concensus that music is not nearly as good on it. I find music on my Pioneer car CD player is even not great and the amount of "Frills" it has to make it sound better just end up making a mess and making things confusing. I'll probably stick to the brands that are known more for their simplicity, understated abilities and musical qualities.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
Am I missing something here? Can you not run the mains directly through the Athena AS-P400 (I am not talking about the sub pre out here I am talking about connecting the main speaker outs from the receiver directly to the sub and then to the main speakers from the sub)? Set the mains to large and the surrounds to small and use the cross over dial on the P400 to what cross over point that works best. Perhaps the P400 does not provide for such a connection... ?
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Nick, 99% of all subs have a fixed high pass, it is NOT affected by using the sub's x-over adjustment, and is is often something between 100Hz and 120Hz (if you're lucky, it'll be 80Hz).
 
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jdsony

Audiophyte
Nick250 said:
Am I missing something here? Can you not run the mains directly through the Athena AS-P400 (I am not talking about the sub pre out here I am talking about connecting the main speaker outs from the receiver directly to the sub and then to the main speakers from the sub)? Set the mains to large and the surrounds to small and use the cross over dial on the P400 to what cross over point that works best. Perhaps the P400 does not provide for such a connection... ?
I do have the ability to do that but I believe I will still be bound by the crossover on the receiver.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I tried to look it up, but there was no info in the user's manual about what the high-pass level is set to. Nick's thinking was to set your mains to large, sub = no, and run the sub off the mains and the mains from the sub, but if your sub's x-over isn't lower than 100Hz, it won't make any difference. The x-over adjustment on basically all subs affects the low pass only, not the high pass (speaker outputs), so you cannot use the sub to adjust what is being sent to the speakers connected to it.
 
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