Marantz Cinema 40, Onkyo RZ70 or Arcam AVR30

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christo976

Audiophyte
Hello,

How tedious it is to choose an AV receiver. I'm probably getting myself into a tizzy over nothing.

Here is my selection. From the cheapest to the most expensive (but there's no more than 1000 USD/EUR)
- Marantz Cinema 40
- Onkyo RZ70
- Arcam AVR30 (not AVR31!)

I'm also interested in Sony's new ES models... but they're not available in Europe (where I live).
Note that this is for use with 50% movies (in 5.1) and 50% music.

What do you think?

Thank you in advance.

Chris
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I'd simply decide on the amp section/features you want to start with (and hopefully with a full set of pre-outs gives you amp flexibility). The flavor of eq (Dirac/Audyssey etc) is up to you. All can work quite well. Somewhat depends on your willingness to spend time to get into the nitty gritty of setup/tweaking of each of those....why isn't Denon in the list, tho? Usually a better value than Marantz with virtually the same feature set among equivalent units.
 
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christo976

Audiophyte
I know that in the US, the Marantz Cinéma 40 is more expensive than the Denon 4800. But in Switzerland, they cost almost the same and I got a good deal on the Marantz (so it becomes cheaper than the Denon).
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I know that in the US, the Marantz Cinéma 40 is more expensive than the Denon 4800. But in Switzerland, they cost almost the same and I got a good deal on the Marantz (so it becomes cheaper than the Denon).
Yep more thinking of US market....if pricing is equivalent for feature set then either works. Neither is particularly superior, tho.
 
ban25

ban25

Audioholic
I would say it comes down to aesthetics vs features. If you prefer the look of the Cinema 40, which is quite handsome with its accent lighting on the front-panel, go with that. If you want 2 more channels of amplification built-in the box, the option to upgrade to DLBC this year, or Roon Ready, go with the RZ70. Can't really go wrong with either, TBH.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Especially since you are not in the USA, I would be calling around to see where you would be getting customer support/service in case you need it.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I know that in the US, the Marantz Cinéma 40 is more expensive than the Denon 4800. But in Switzerland, they cost almost the same and I got a good deal on the Marantz (so it becomes cheaper than the Denon).
Great to see someone else making this very point that I have made several times here, and on ASR. People need to be smarting when doing their search and compare devices on their short list, and not be misled by marketing hypes including the "geo" factors such as price point set based on different level of myth and misconception that could be specific to the locality. In this specific case, US and Canada AV device it appears that more consumers believe the myth that Marantz has a musical/warm sound for a variety reasons, and that justify inflated profit margin/higher list price, versus the smarter (not on everything but on this point only) consumers in other parts of the world.

One example on the opposite end though, Denon only seem to market their lower end integrated amps, and marke their $7,000 (USD equivalent) 50 W per channel plain (no build in dac, or even bass management) stereo amp in the far list only, what does that tell us, that their regular AVphiles are smarter on marketing hypes, but more audiophiles over there are more extreme than North Americans and more incline to buy in to myths related to weight, double down output numbers, gold plating, acoustic feet, toroidal, even oval shape transformer kind of weird stuff? No wonder in manufacturing, most of time it is the marketing/sales executive who call the shots and got the top job, I know, been there many years, engineers have little say, compare to their colleagues in sales.
 
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