mapleshade = snake oil?

johndoe

johndoe

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Is anybody familiar with mapleshade products or cds? I just got a catalog last week and it looks like snake oil to me. but I don't know anything :D
 
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philh

Full Audioholic
johndoe said:
Is anybody familiar with mapleshade products or cds? I just got a catalog last week and it looks like snake oil to me. but I don't know anything :D
LOL

If it smells like snake oil...
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
johndoe said:
Is anybody familiar with mapleshade products or cds? I just got a catalog last week and it looks like snake oil to me. but I don't know anything :D
Yes, a snake oil vendor of the highest caliber. :)

However, it's one of the oddest examples of snake oil/audio voodoo, if you do a check into the past of the owner of Mapleshade.....

Their CDs are usually of extreme high quality, so far as realism of tonality, soundstage, etc.. However, their CDs will have a slightly audible tape hiss because they are recorded using analog 1/2" tape without noise reduction. I will highly recommend their CDs, but I will not recommend anything else that they offer.

-Chris
 
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greenhill

Audioholic Intern
I agree about the hiss.

WmAx said:
.....However, their CDs will have a slightly audible tape hiss because they are recorded using analog 1/2" tape without noise reduction.....
-Chris
I second the hiss........ I bought the Rives Audio Test CD2, which, along with all the test tones are several snipetts of various mapleshade recordings, ALL of which I noticed have a very slight hiss... I found this to be annoying.
greenhill.
 
johndoe

johndoe

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WmAx said:
I will highly recommend their CDs, but I will not recommend anything else that they offer.

-Chris
you mean that a $250 4" thick air dried, amish supplied, Maryland maple block will NOT make an accoustimass cube sound like an actual speaker??:D
They also claim that they tweak their mp3s. I wonder how you do that...
 
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MDS

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Can anyone provide a link to these MapleShade products? I love to read sites that make outlandish claims for their 'tweaks'.
 
WmAx

WmAx

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MDS said:
Can anyone provide a link to these MapleShade products? I love to read sites that make outlandish claims for their 'tweaks'.
www.mapleshaderecords.com

If you want a real laugh, check out their power wires and power strips....

-Chris
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
johndoe said:
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They also claim that they tweak their mp3s. I wonder how you do that...
Well, you can use a command line MP3 encoder like Lame, and proceed to ignore the established presets(which are developed using extensive double-blind listening trials) and make up their own special switch settings, pretending that they are actually improving something.

-Chris
 
Dan

Dan

Audioholic Chief
I have to agree with one caveat. The CDs sound great and I don't mind the minimal hiss. You've not heard cymbals till you hear cymbals at Mapleshade. The products seem to be pure snake oil. I do think that the speaker stand low to the floor and tilts a small speaker up may be a good idea and improve bass response some just like moving a speaker closer to the wall. But not at THAT price.
 
Sheep

Sheep

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Some one NEEDS to shut that operation down, seriously.

SheepStar
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

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I have to agree with WmAx. Their recordings are great. They use a minimalistic approach with no processing. Their other offerings...well....it's already been said.
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

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A quote from the the Mapleshade site:

Why maple? I used to mount my studio recording and playback gear on cones on massive lead or granite platforms. Naturally, I assumed mass dominates. Was I wrong! My first ear opener was testing 15 lbs. of poplar against 125 lbs. of granite. The musicality of the wood blew away the granite: warmer, punchier, far more detail, deeper bass. Clearly, choice of materials dominates—so I tested dozens. Marble and glass were thin and bright; carbon fiber, polymer composites, damped metal laminates, acrylic and Corian were too dead. None matched wood’s natural full tone and sparkling dynamics. Next experiment: solid wood easily bested butcher block and plywood; MDF was the worst wood. Different woods sounded surprisingly different. I listened to carefully matched platforms of walnut, oak, maple, cherry, birch, spruce, fir, hickory, mahogany, etc. Maple was head and shoulders the best.
It's a little frightening he states "MDF was the worst wood." To think of how many speakers and subs use MDF. Now we need some DBT's on wood products. :rolleyes: Does anyone have any info on this? The guy has a point with wood IF it relates to musical instruments - imagine how the Stradivarius violin would have sounded, being made of medium density fiberboard. :p

Reduced solar activity in the 17th Century may be the reason for the perfect sound of Stradivarius violins.
Scientists from Columbia and Tennessee universities in the US say the Sun's declining output at that time resulted in colder winters and cooler summers.

This produced slower tree growth which in turn led to denser wood with superior acoustical properties - circumstances not repeated since.


John Montgomery, secretary of the American Federation of Violin and Bow Makers who is based in Raleigh, North Carolina, said of all the so-called secrets of violin production, "the most important element is wood selection." Wood inhibits or favors vibrations depending on its characteristics, said Montgomery, and the wood chosen by early, great instrument makers was excellent.
 
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Dan

Dan

Audioholic Chief
Sheep said:
Some one NEEDS to shut that operation down, seriously.

SheepStar
There is quite a bit more to it than just snake oil. Pierre Sprey has an excellent room for recording in, he treats the musicians well and splits the profits down the middle. He puts them up at his home if they need it and does not charge by the hour for recording time. This is why he gets such excellent performances down on tape. He sells the CDs cheap $36.00 for four. He records people who don't have record label contracts who are generally very talented.

If he wants to make a profit selling snake oil to the unwary to cover the musical end, it won't hurt me. Besides the guy who designed the A10 Warthog and the F16 can't be all that bad.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Dan said:
Besides the guy who designed the A10 Warthog and the F16 can't be all that bad.
Yeah, that's the part I alluded to earlier....

Did this (ex?) 1st rate engineer suffer a severe mental breakdown sometime between the point where he designed his last legendary military weapon and started Mapleshade Records?

-Chris
 
edwelly

edwelly

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So I went to this site and was checking on their 'Free Tips' and found this VERY (not) useful tip...
1. Nearly everybody sits too high
BUT then it says
2. Almost all small speakers are on stands that are way too high
Well, which is it????
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
edwelly said:
So I went to this site and was checking on their 'Free Tips' and found this VERY (not) useful tip...
1. Nearly everybody sits too high
BUT then it says
2. Almost all small speakers are on stands that are way too high
Well, which is it????
I like this one.

• Lift all speaker, power and interconnect wires 8" off any non-wool carpet or plastic tile. Use string, wood, cardboard or 20 ounce Styrofoam cups for temporary props. You'll think you've pulled horse blankets off your speakers. For a more civilized-looking solution, see here.

I only had 12oz. styrofoam cups, so I didn't get the full benefit.
 
edwelly

edwelly

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So it was more off a "miniture-horse" blanket improvement, huh???
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
I've been using the plastic cups all these years...no wonder it doesn't sound as good as it should. ;)
 
edwelly

edwelly

Full Audioholic
I tried using some glass cups I had but I found it made the sound too transparent...
 
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