Looking for Subwoofer

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irl5fan

Audiophyte
Hi All!

I've been reading and looking around for a new subwoofer, but am getting overwhelmed with the endless options. The room the system is set up in is 16'x30'x7' with carpet over a concrete floor (my basement), so it's a pretty large room. My receiver is a Yamaha RX-V667 with Atlantic Technology 150 series speakers (old school). I guess my price range is up to $550 for a new sub. I just want something that is going to be able to fill the room and is pretty good at hitting those lows.
I was looking at the Infinity PS212 on crutchfield for $399 and includes Monster Cable Ultra 600 THX, lifetime tech support(whatever that means), and free shipping.
Let me know your opinions. Thanks!
 
theJman

theJman

Audioholic Chief
Your room is over 3300 cubic feet, which is not a small area. Trying to fill that much space with a single subwoofer is going to be difficult, especially if your budget is $550. You would probably achieve a better result if you bought two smaller subs instead.

I maintain a thread dedicate to budget subwoofers that might have some worthy options. It's probably a good place to start your search.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
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irl5fan

Audiophyte
Thank you for the feedback so far! In reference to Jman's comment, would it be better to have 2 subs of lesser value or 1 more expensive sub. Assuming quality and range is better on the more expensive sub. I did read "Are Two Subwoofers Better than One?" on Audioholics and the 2 subs sound pretty convincing, just don't want to waste the money if 2 cheaper ones aren't going to do it justice. I have checked out your budget subwoofer list and seems like most people have pretty good things to say about BIC and Polk.
Now the other thing I'm wondering is my receiver power...Will it be enough to power 2 subs...and if I do go with just 1 sub, do I only look for something that is 400 watt peak? As stated above I have the Yamaha RX-V667. That was also something I was concerned about (should I be?) when looking at the VTF-2 MK4 Subwoofer, BoredSysAdmin.

Thanks again!
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Thank you for the feedback so far! In reference to Jman's comment, would it be better to have 2 subs of lesser value or 1 more expensive sub. Assuming quality and range is better on the more expensive sub. I did read "Are Two Subwoofers Better than One?" on Audioholics and the 2 subs sound pretty convincing, just don't want to waste the money if 2 cheaper ones aren't going to do it justice. I have checked out your budget subwoofer list and seems like most people have pretty good things to say about BIC and Polk.
Now the other thing I'm wondering is my receiver power...Will it be enough to power 2 subs...and if I do go with just 1 sub, do I only look for something that is 400 watt peak? As stated above I have the Yamaha RX-V667. That was also something I was concerned about (should I be?) when looking at the VTF-2 MK4 Subwoofer, BoredSysAdmin.

Thanks again!
Two subs could be better than one sub in the sense of two could do better job equalizing the room and helping battle room modes, however two really crappy subs are not better than one good one

(vast majority of) Subs don't need power from receiver and such rare case as passive sub (other than DIY sub) - receiver wont have enough juice anyhow and it'd need a dedicated amp anyways... Again 99% consumer subs are self-powered - all 3 I listed are

HSU subs are very capable and good for HT and Musical applications with very linear and well behaved output but still kicking with authority.. Just don't expect super-low tones - below 20-25Hz to play strong

Like I mentioned above - good subs are pricy, yes I know SVS are expensive, but they are in league of their own and barely anything touch their perfromance
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
The two subs vs one good one is situation specific. Depending on the subs and room. You could buy 3 12" daytons subs and they probably would do decently in your room or you could get one fantastic sub and add another next year.
 
theJman

theJman

Audioholic Chief
Your receivers power is not germane for those subwoofers; they contain there own amplifier, so all the sub needs is a signal and they'll function just fine. No power required.

With a larger room it's often difficult to get a full and consistent sound across the entire space, unless you're willing to spend a considerable amount of money (and even then it's not always possible, depending upon the particulars of the room in question). Two "cheaper" subs will generally provide a better listening experience because it distributes the sound more evenly.

The drawback is the less expensive sub is obviously not as capable as the more expensive one, but that difference is essentially mitigated by virtue of the fact you have two of them. When properly balanced the dual sub setup will yield a better result, and will rarely turn out to be a bad choice.
 
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irl5fan

Audiophyte
I think I like the idea of buying the +$500ish one and add another later on. I would also like to start upgrade the speakers eventually too. I appreciate all the input! I'm going to look into what you guys have listed thus far and try and make a decision.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Using multiple subs (two or more) is primarily about getting more uniform bass response throughout your room. Unless you are stacking your subs in the same location, you don't get a huge boost in loudness.

With a $550 budget, I would NOT recommend getting two $275 subs vs. one $550 sub. Two $500 subs vs. a lone $1000 sub? That might be a little different depending on the situation. But two $275 subs is not going to get you what you're looking for. I completely understand wanting to keep the price down and hoping that what you want will be possible at your budget. But it's important to manage expectations and understand that reproducing strong, low bass with high quality is NOT easy and it does legitimately cost some money to make it happen. Companies like HSU, Rythmik and SVSound are not gouging you on prices in the slightest. When one of their subs costs more, it's because the components used and the capabilities of the sub really do increase. There's a ton of over-priced, over-hyped junk in the world of home theater. You don't always get what you pay for. But with the good subwoofer companies, you DO get what you pay for and the higher price does reflect higher quality. $275 subs just can't make it happen. There's really no way around it. It just costs more to do what you're looking for :eek:

At over 3000 cubic feet, you have a "large" room. My favorite $500 sub is the Rythmik FV12. But it would struggle in terms of output in that room size. The HSU VTF-2 MK4 is a very close competitor to the FV12. But it too would struggle a bit with that room size. Even the SVSound PB or PC12-NSD won't be hitting reference volume in that room size.

But you also have to consider whether you getting anywhere close to reference volume (which most people don't, most people listen at an average 70-75dB, not the 85dB reference average, and most people keep the peak volume below 95dB, not the 105dB peaks of reference volume or the 115dB peaks in the LFE). If you tend to listen at lower volume levels, then the FV12 or VTF-2 MK4 might do ok. The SVSound PB/PC12-NSD almost certainly would do ok so long as you're not trying to hit reference levels.

One really nice thing about the Rythmik FV12 is that you can literally crank the volume as high as you like. Thanks to the excellent engineering over at Rythmik, the FV12 will simply play as loud as it can, but will then limit itself and not try to play any louder. That's a great "safety" feature in a situation like yours where it's entirely possible to set the volume higher than what the FV12 can actually play.

It's tough. For a room that size, I'd be pointing you towards an SVSound PB/PC12-Plus or a Rythmik FV15HP, or at the least, an HSU VTF-3 MK4 or Outlaw LFM-1 EX.

Ooh, that reminds me though, the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus would be a really, really good choice for you! It's at $549 + shipping right now. Sadly, the B-Stock sale is sold out. But for your $550 budget and your larger room size, I don't anything will top the LFM-1 Plus. It's virtually identical to the old HSU VTF-3 MK2 - it's got a little more amp power than the current VTF-2 MK4, which helps in a situation like yours :)

Yeah, the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus is a winner if you're sticking within your budget (going a bit over when you factor in shipping, actually). Again, you won't be hitting reference volume, but you won't be starving for output either.

And two $275 subs won't hold a candle to the LFM-1 Plus, I can promise you that!

:)
 
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irl5fan

Audiophyte
Well I went ahead and ordered the HSU VTF-2 MK4. Should have it in next week. I'll let you know how it sounds! Thanks for everyone's input!
 
timoteo

timoteo

Audioholic General
Great choice!!! Congrats on the new sub, your gonna love it!

Like i tell everyone, let it break-in before doing any critical listening. If i were to put a # on it id say that all brand new subs are only at 70% of their capabilities when first turned on. Give it a solid 30-50hrs of normal to high volume use then recalibrate.

ENJOY!!! :)
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Congrats!

Yup, the HSU VTF-2 MK4 is a nice sub. Has HSU's classic "clean and tight" sound and very nice quality overall. I'm crossing my fingers for you that it will have enough output for your room size! Just dial the volume up gradually and listen carefully for any signs of stress. The BASH amps have a "soft clipping" circuit in them to protect the subwoofer from any major damage from trying to play too loudly, but they can still potentially bottom out or start to output very high distortion. So just do things gradually and listen carefully at first. Once you discover the upper limits, you'll know to just keep things below that volume level for safety and you can enjoy your new sub to the fullest!

Merry Christmas! That's a heck of a nice present :D
 
timoteo

timoteo

Audioholic General
FR is correct & what i have always done is get my subs setup, play a bass heavy movie scene at a level that is the highest id actually listen to, then play the scene again at same level while i set next to the sub & listen for any port chuffing, distortion or bottoming out.

Sometimes a sub can bottom out but you cant hear ot from your seat. So i always recommend taking a listen next to the driver.
 
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BoredSysAdmin

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