Looking for speakers.

[Daysin]

Hello everyone. I have just joined this forum. I am a complete novice and would greatly appreciate your help and guidance to some of my queries.
I am from India & I am searching for floorstanding speakers in budget category. I have a 100 wpc integrated amp with 8 ohms nominal impedance. Will the Polk T50 be suitable.
Here, there are not many brands in this category. So not a lot to choose from.
Any inputs, suggestions and guidance from forum members will be of great help to me.
Thanks.

 

[NINaudio]

What brands are available to you?

 

[Eppie]

Are you able to get some of the brands listed on dir.indiamart.com? It is difficult to compare prices for the Indian market but I would try and choose from reputable brands, like Polk, JBL, Heco, and Jamo. I see the Polk T50 for 27,000 rupee per pair on that web site and very few other tower speakers near that price. For example the JBL Stage A190 speakers are 65,000 which is well above your budget (but a nice speaker). Yamaha speakers are not common in North America but are available in Asia. I see the Yamaha NS-F71 for 31,041 but I am not sure how it compares to the Polk T50. Are there any other brands and model numbers you can list?

 

[Daysin]

What brands are available to you?

Hi NINaudio,
As I mentioned Polk & others are Taga Harmony, Fyne 302, some Mission models, Monitor audio 200, some Yamaha models. All these in budget category.
High end brands and products are also available but not for me. So what should I look for?
Thanks NINaudio.

 

[Daysin]

Are you able to get some of the brands listed on dir.indiamart.com? It is difficult to compare prices for the Indian market but I would try and choose from reputable brands, like Polk, JBL, Heco, and Jamo. I see the Polk T50 for 27,000 rupee per pair on that web site and very few other tower speakers near that price. For example the JBL Stage A190 speakers are 65,000 which is well above your budget (but a nice speaker). Yamaha speakers are not common in North America but are available in Asia. I see the Yamaha NS-F71 for 31,041 but I am not sure how it compares to the Polk T50. Are there any other brands and model numbers you can list?

Thanks Eppie for your post.
You are right about the brands you have mentioned.
Some other brands are Taga harmony, some models of Mission, Monitor 200, Fyne 302 are some brands in my price range (INR 45000).

 

[NINaudio]

JBL and Heco have some great models. I'd definitely look into them. In know here in the USA JBL frequently runs sales. I don't know if they do the same in India.

 

[Eppie]

Thanks Eppie for your post.
You are right about the brands you have mentioned.
Some other brands are Taga harmony, some models of Mission, Monitor 200, Fyne 302 are some brands in my price range (INR 45000).

Monitor Audio and Fyne are good brands as well. Sometimes JBL has sales on speakers so if you could find a Stage A180 on sale that might get in your price range. The T50 can be a little harsh in the treble but it is a budget speaker after all. Any chance to listen to these speakers in a store or do you have to order on-line?

 

[Daysin]

JBL and Heco have some great models. I'd definitely look into them. In know here in the USA JBL frequently runs sales. I don't know if they do the same in India.

JBL and Heco have some great models. I'd definitely look into them. In know here in the USA JBL frequently runs sales. I don't know if they do the same in India.

Jbl 170, 180, 190 are available here and sales do happen. Heco 502,602 models are also there but outside my budget.
But looking a specs I get confused - all the ohms some 6 some 8, recommended amplifier output, peak power, power handling RMS/Max - all these terms make me un certain about the right choice. *https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/calculations-says-i-need-a-power-amp-with-250-watts-for-kef-r11.125017/page-2. Going through this on this forum, I thought gave me some idea about selecting speakers but then reading the specs of the various brands turned everything upside down.
So here I am for all the help I badly need.
Thanks NINaudio.

 

[lovinthehd]

You might want to review these articles about speaker measurements https://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/understanding-loudspeaker-measurements

Don't worry about the nominal impedance rating, but sticking to 6/8 ohm rated speakers is probably a good idea. Sensitivity is a more important spec....max wattage is more a point of where the speaker will be damaged than anything particularly useful. Better to both look at spec as well as finding 3rd party testing if possible.

 

[TLS Guy]

Jbl 170, 180, 190 are available here and sales do happen. Heco 502,602 models are also there but outside my budget.
But looking a specs I get confused - all the ohms some 6 some 8, recommended amplifier output, peak power, power handling RMS/Max - all these terms make me un certain about the right choice. *https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/calculations-says-i-need-a-power-amp-with-250-watts-for-kef-r11.125017/page-2. Going through this on this forum, I thought gave me some idea about selecting speakers but then reading the specs of the various brands turned everything upside down.
So here I am for all the help I badly need.
Thanks NINaudio.

Which models of Mission speakers are available to you? Mission have always produced quality and very neutral speakers.

 

[Daysin]

You might want to review these articles about speaker measurements https://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/understanding-loudspeaker-measurements

Don't worry about the nominal impedance rating, but sticking to 6/8 ohm rated speakers is probably a good idea. Sensitivity is a more important spec....max wattage is more a point of where the speaker will be damaged than anything particularly useful. Better to both look at spec as well as finding 3rd party testing if possible.

Thanks lovinthehd for your inputs. By 3rd party testing do you mean auditioning the speakers? If so, then it is not going to be possble. Will 6 ohms rated speakers be ok with my amp which is 8 ohms?

 

[Daysin]

Any chance to listen to these speakers in a store or do you have to order on-line?

I have to order online so auditioning is not possible. I know it would have been better but there isn't any scope for that. Thanks.

 

[lovinthehd]

Thanks lovinthehd for your inputs. By 3rd party testing do you mean auditioning the speakers? If so, then it is not going to be possble. Will 6 ohms rated speakers be ok with my amp which is 8 ohms?

No by 3rd party testing I mean taking those measurements that article I linked to is explaining; 3rd party being someone other than the manufacturer/seller. It's done here at Audioholics during speaker reviews, Erin's Audio Corner has a lot of tested speakers and Amir at Audiosciencereview has measured many speakers, too.

It'd be a several hour trip for me to get to a place with a decent selection of speakers to audition. I generally look at measurements and user comments in a few audio groups like this as to which speakers to try....and haven't returned any yet....

What particular amp do you have? It hopefully can handle some lower impedance than 8 ohms....even 8 ohm speakers generally will operate at times under that. (impedance varies with frequency, and it varies quite a bit....a speaker's nominal impedance rating isn't always very accurate either. Another reason to look at measurements.

 

[Daysin]

Which models of Mission speakers are available to you? Mission have always produced quality and very neutral speakers.

Mission MX3, LX4 MKII are within my price range. Thanks.

 

[Daysin]

No by 3rd party testing I mean taking those measurements that article I linked to is explaining; 3rd party being someone other than the manufacturer/seller. It's done here at Audioholics during speaker reviews, Erin's Audio Corner has a lot of tested speakers and Amir at Audiosciencereview has measured many speakers,

I understand your point here but I am zero at interpreting the technical aspects like mesurements, graphs etc. Although I have read some of them I have not been able to undertand much. That's why I generally don't go there.
But thanks.

It'd be a several hour trip for me to get to a place with a decent selection of speakers to audition. I generally look at measurements and user comments in a few audio groups like this as to which speakers to try

I fully agree and prefer to do the same.

What particular amp do you have? It hopefully can handle some lower impedance than 8 ohms....even 8 ohm speakers generally will operate at times under that. (impedance varies with frequency, and it varies quite a bit....a speaker's nominal impedance rating isn't always very accurate either

My amp is an Indian brand called Torvin (https://torvin.com). Here is their spec sheet as provided by them. They also make speakers & I spoke with their founder/owner about speakers. Here is a spec sheet of his suggested speaker considering my budget.

 

[TLS Guy]

Mission MX3, LX4 MKII are within my price range. Thanks.

The MX 3 is discontinued, and I can't find third party measurements.

The LX MKII would appear to be an excellent speaker and high value for money.

I can find some measurements. This is the on axis FR, and the impedance curve.

The images will not transfer, but you can see them in the review here.

I do notice a slight rise in tweeter output at 9 KHz, but this is an on axis measurement. I suspect that if you cold see the off axis response, the total in room response would be excellent. The impedance curve shows the speaker to be around 6 ohm impedance, the speaker is rated at 8 ohms nominal, which is a bit of a stretch. The impedance curve is benign, but the speaker is 4 ohm from about 150 Hz to 300 Hz or so. This is actually a very benign impedance curve and any amp or receiver should be happy with it. From what I can see above, the specification from Mission would appear to be very honest, and they do point out that the minimal impedance is 4.3 ohms. This is a very typical impedance curve, and actually a nominal impedance means virtually nothing for any speaker, and is of zero significance. From the above Mission's quoted FR of +/- 3db. from 45 to 20 KHz would appear to be honest, and far better than the vast majority of speakers in that price range.

If this speaker is in your price range, then I would put it top of the list of the ones you have mentioned. If this speaker is in your budget I think you would be very happy with it.

 

[lovinthehd]

I understand your point here but I am zero at interpreting the technical aspects like mesurements, graphs etc. Although I have read some of them I have not been able to undertand much. That's why I generally don't go there.
But thanks.

I fully agree and prefer to do the same.

My amp is an Indian brand called Torvin (https://torvin.com). Here is their spec sheet as provided by them. They also make speakers & I spoke with their founder/owner about speakers. Here is a spec sheet of his suggested speaker considering my budget.

Yes, measurements and specs take a while to learn/absorb, but will give you better information to make decisions with....

I've not heard of that Torvin brand but don't see much info about the amp let alone any measurements/detailed spec. Same for speakers.

 

[TLS Guy]

I understand your point here but I am zero at interpreting the technical aspects like mesurements, graphs etc. Although I have read some of them I have not been able to undertand much. That's why I generally don't go there.
But thanks.

I fully agree and prefer to do the same.

My amp is an Indian brand called Torvin (https://torvin.com). Here is their spec sheet as provided by them. They also make speakers & I spoke with their founder/owner about speakers. Here is a spec sheet of his suggested speaker considering my budget.

There are no meaning full specs on those Torvin speakers. Some of the driver layouts are plain wrong. In addition information on those amps is sparse. You really need to ask some tough questions about their amps, and especially if they have DC offset speaker protection. When an amp fails, the most common cause is a shorted output power transistor. When this happens the whole DC rail voltage is passed to the speakers, literally sending them up in smoke. For a 100 watt amp, the DC rail voltage will be about 90 volts. So amplifiers need protection against this, so that any DC offset is spotted instantly and the amp shut down into protection instantly. There are various ways of doing this, optocouplers, clamp circuits of various descriptions and others. However the bottom line is that ALL transistor amps need to have speaker protection for DC offset.
So you need to ask Torvin, if their amps have DC offset protection against DC appearing at the speaker terminals. If not, then DO NOT use those amps.

 

[dalotissac]

Hello everyone. I have just joined this forum. I am a complete novice and would greatly appreciate your help and guidance to some of my queries.
I am from India & I am searching for Nox Vidmate VLC floorstanding speakers in budget category. I have a 100 wpc integrated amp with 8 ohms nominal impedance. Will the Polk T50 be suitable.
Here, there are not many brands in this category. So not a lot to choose from.
Any inputs, suggestions and guidance from forum members will be of great help to me.
Thanks.

I'd definitely look into them. In know here in the USA JBL frequently runs sales.