Liberals say "it's ok to steal from the feds"

zildjian

zildjian

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Buckeye_Nut said:
It only figures the liberals are defending these crooks......
The people defending those crooks aren't liberals, they're idiots, and to the severe right wing people who will say, 'aren't those the same thing?' no they aren't ;) . I know plenty of liberals who are idiots, and I know plenty of people in sitting in their red states who think everything that comes from D.C. is the truth, they are idiots too! Anybody on one far extreme of the conservative/liberal or right/left spectrum, isn't what I'd consider a mental giant... rather foolish. One has to be able to see both sides and assess for themself the situation without preconceived notions blurring their political views.
Yes FEMA dropped the ball in many ways, but the spending that we now see documented is awful and the result of ignorant people fleecing the system. I can't believe I was surprised when I heard about it; typical common behavior when you think about it. For as much as my occupations have revolved around helping people, sometimes I really think people can really be animals. For as bad as this is though, it goes nicely right along with the oil fleecing we experience everyday @ the pump...
Now that I've vented too, think I'll catch a couple hours sleep before I have to get back to work so I can pay more taxes to be well spent...
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

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And the conservatives aren't doing anything to make them pay the money back either. Bad republicans, bad! :mad:
 
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Rock&Roll Ninja said:
And the conservatives aren't doing anything to make them pay the money back either. Bad republicans, bad! :mad:
See, you guys have to remember that liberal or conservative, far right-wing or left-wing, republicans or democrats...they are first and foremost POLITICIANS. This group of power hungry, self-defined demigods, and all-round nincompoops have little ability to do normal work or think constructively beyond their pre-programmed, support-money-source driven biases.

Ask yourself why a regular Joe would want to spend millions of dollars to gain a public job that pays thousands. Is that normal behavior? No. These are people that want to tell YOU what to do and how often to do it (and how much it's gonna cost you to do it. :eek: They want to have their hands in your pockets, too).

Just remember this....half the population has an IQ of less that 100. One wonders how many fall into that half of the population in congress and around the states/municipalities.

;)
 
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10010011

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race4aliving

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10010011 said:
:rolleyes: Your wealth of ignorance is astounding. :rolleyes:

Sure it's easy to point out 10 or 20 people that are scamming the system...

But what about the millions of people that were left homeless and were helped by this program?
There is no reason to be so rude. I believe there were more then 10 or 20 people who scammed the 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS. a lot of us donatated both time and money, some of us even made the trip south to help in any way we could. it seems the only thing liberals have no tolerance for is conservatives.
So yes YOUR wealth of ignorance is astounding.
 
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10010011

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race4aliving said:
T it seems the only thing liberals have no tolerance for is conservatives.
That is ignorant.

What I have no tollerance for is people who paint everyone with the same brush. Like the origonal poster, somehow gathered from that artical "Liberals say it's ok to steal from the feds".

That is ignorant.

People that are against any sort of governmet programs to help the needy always have some story about a lady that drives her BMW to the food bank or DSHS office to get her food stamps. They whine about that black lady with twelve kids buying T-bone steaks with food stamps when they can barely afford a pound of ground chuck.

That is ignorant.

You think these people got it so good then why don't you try to live in their situation.

I am not defending the people that ripped off the system, but I am defending the system.
 
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race4aliving

race4aliving

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Calm down,
what makes you think I haven't lived in a situation like that ?
Why would you bring up race ? "we" don't need closet racists helping our cause out. go save a whale or a rain forrest or something
 
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Buckeyefan 1

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One of the quickest ways to get rich in America is to figure out how to get your hands on federal dollars (as well as insurance dollars). Think pharmaceutical companies. Think politicians. Think medical field. Think attorneys.

I'm in the construction industry. I have friends who follow storms (mainly hail) around the country looking for insurance or government money. It's so easy to sell to people who don't have to dig into their own pockets.

Believe it or not, both republicans and democrats are guilty of following the money trail.
 
race4aliving

race4aliving

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Buckeyefan 1 said:
One of the quickest ways to get rich in America is to figure out how to get your hands on federal dollars (as well as insurance dollars). Think pharmaceutical companies. Think politicians. Think medical field. Think attorneys.

I'm in the construction industry. I have friends who follow storms (mainly hail) around the country looking for insurance or government money. It's so easy to sell to people who don't have to dig into their own pockets.

Believe it or not, both republicans and democrats are guilty of following the money trail.
You got that right.
 
mulester7

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.....here's one for the ages.....

....."I see it's time for the republicans to put on their once-every-four-years compassionate faces"....Bill Clinton-2004.....
 
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markw

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Buckeyefan 1 said:
Believe it or not, both republicans and democrats are guilty of following the money trail.
Truer words were never spoken. Can you say "pork barrel", kiddies?
 
race4aliving

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markw said:
Truer words were never spoken. Can you say "pork barrel", kiddies?
Take a drive through West Virginia sometime, Senator Byrd has gotten more things built in that state with Pork Barrel money. He's the master of it from what I understand. Buckeye your closer to politics who do you think is the Pork Barrel King?
 
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Craig234

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Money

So, democrats and republicans both go after money, and we all sit here, nice and self righteous, we solved that one, they suck and we're great.

It's not so simple, children.

First, how about because they just all suck so bad, we get rid of them. No more electing our 'leaders'. How would that be?

Oh, you don't like that idea - you buy into the 'it's the worst system except all the others' cynical witticism. You just want to complain and be smug.

Well, fine, but you don't realize what you're doing. You don't realize all the harms, you don't realize the power you have, you don't realize the price.

The first thing you are missing is the global perspective of your role. You are the cash cow that feeds the pigs in charge. They give you a nice little place to wander around, let you think it's yours, you are protected from the worst things they can protect you from, and you give your milk daily or else, unaware of who profits and how those profits are used, unaware of what's really happening to the neghbors over the hills around you.

As an American who can afford the toys of interest to this forum, you are an elite in the world; you are pandered to by the political system to make you complacent by making you feel the government serves you, all the while having almost no role but to produce in the economy so that the trillions of dollars a year processed in our economy and our government can be directed for the purposes of those who actually have some power.

But you are far, far, far better off than those who are not here, and whose only purpose is to serve the actually powerful or get the hell out of the way.

You really don't want to be a Chechnyan, or an Iraqi, or a Bolivian in the way of Bechtel, or a Mexican, or an Afghani in the world's largest opium supply market, or a Chinese person who on average is hoping desperately to get out of the rural poverty into one of those low-paid oppresive factory positions, or an African who can only hope to live off the land in desperate poverty or to help extract minerals for western nations. No, you are the elite.

And you are an idiot, if you are like 99% of the population. I don't mean your abilities - I mean that you, as a smart but incredibly misinformed person, behaves idiotically because you have bad information, so functionally you are an idiot, in action and opinion, despite having all kinds of good qualities. You debate issues in terms of who is good and who is evil, in terms of how to stop the bad guys, the things that leave you nattering about nothing.

The real reasons for why policies occur are not on your agenda for discussion. You are supplied with the proper set of choices, right left middle, you pick.

The cash cows choose, eat this grass or that, or maybe walk across the fenced pasture, heck maybe take a nap. Completely free.

Meanwhile, policies which serve interests great and small, but generally misrepresented and selfish, are pursued with the milk you hand over.

Because you are part of such a well-cultivated herd, you give the most milk, and the owners of the profits from it can dominate whatever they like.

It's good to be a milk owner. It's not that bad to be a cash cow - look at those poor starving wild animals - but it's not really your field.

Of course, there is a form of freedom. You could run off a cliff and ruin the owner's day. The cows could unite and demand better conditions for their milk, but they're just not really able to do that. You can learn all kinds of truths - and become a bit lonely, finding that not that many are going to want to make the same investment, and they're way too invested in another way of looking at things to do more than tune you out as 'radical'.

In our political system, in theory, we could have real representative democracy. Sometimes, we do; on some issues, we do; it's a combination. There's no explicit conspiracy to have an evil government - there are simply interests, which many realize are not always best honestly advertised, and there are world views that vary wildly based on your situation which lead you to rationalize.

Maybe a congressman is rationalizing a vote which will give a donor a great tax refund and cutting children's nutrition to pay for it. You may think that's black and white wrong, and that YOU don't rationalize - but that's because you are in a different situation. How much attention and concern did YOU personally pay to the fact that YOUR government had sanctions which killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi children? How personally concerned and worried were you about that compared to your own children dying slowly of diseased water? Not at all, if you are like most and yet you have responsibility, unfilled responsibility, because the politicans YOU elected used YOUR tax dollars to force those policies for not the reasons they told you to make you accept it easily when you were not bothering to find the real reasons, but for the sort of reasons the cow owners have, turning on Saddam after having supported him when he served their interest, citing his war crimes long after they had decreased but having supported him when they were going on the worst. You rationalize your lack of being a responsible citizen for those hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children and many other things. The congressman knows that he's going to get 50 times the aid for children by getting re-elected compared to his evil opponent, so his action is ok, and you can't handle the truth so of course he doesn't tell you. Not a bad rationalization.

Meantime, are we fixing the problem? Are we getting rid of the money that dominated our political system because most people will vote for either the party they're oriented to almost no matter what, or whoever has the best funded campaign, causing 94% of the winners to be the candidates who spent the most, making our system not about rationality and opinions and morality but about money, power for a price in all but the formal rules?

There are good people all over the place, making the best of a mess, and you know, so much of it works out pretty well. Things aren't that bad.

But they could be a lot better if the citizens who have the power of the vote gott off their *** and got informed and donated to the candidates who will really represent the public interest and got active, instead of posting about witticisms on message boards that both parties take money so who cares.

The parties are not the same. They're far different in qualitative and quantitative measures, and you would know how if you put the research in.

But you are encouraging, you are causing the corruption with your lack of involvement. The guy who gives them a big contribution makes the election work in a more corrupt way, and absent you countering that, by banning the contribution or contributing against him, you are an enabler of corruption. You think you have the right to an honest government without lifting a finger, just like the cash cows thing the grass supplied in the morning is convenient.

What nonsense. Read some books and get informed and make things better.

It's happened - almost all elderly people in this nation from its founding to the 1930's were in utterly miserable poverty. The nation chose to do something about that, and passed social security and elder poverty is now a rarity in our society. There are a whole lot of unnecessary problems we could but do not solve because the people do not get off their rear ends and lazily chew the propaganda cud fed daily.

Want to learn more? Probably not. You can explain to the cows all day, and have you seen any cow revolutions lately? No. Cud and naps, known and easy, shoo you rabble rouser.

Want some pointers? If I see two positive responses to this post asking for them, I'll respond, perhaps listing a handful of books to start on.
 
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cyberbri

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Actually, the money goes to whoever has the power. It's been the Republicans for years, so that's why all the scandals and ethical corruption issues with Republicans now. If Democrats had any power to affect any change, they'd be funded and lobbied and bribed just like the Republicans.

The only way, IMO, to solve this, is to move to a publicly funded campaign system. It would be branded as "damn liberals wanting to raise YOUR taxes," but do you think Americans would mind paying an extra $20 a year or whatever to fund equally and fairly campaigns for all candidates, so they wouldn't have to spend half or more of their time fundraising, getting themselves deeper into the pockets of big oil, big medicine, big energy, big finance, and more? The big boys wouldn't like that, though, since it means they wouldn't be able to write any more of our laws (bankruptcy reform, prescription drug act, energy policy, etc. etc.).
 
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Craig234 said:
And you are an idiot, if you are like 99% of the population. I don't mean your abilities - I mean that you, as a smart but incredibly misinformed person, behaves idiotically because you have bad information, so functionally you are an idiot, in action and opinion, despite having all kinds of good qualities. You debate issues in terms of who is good and who is evil, in terms of how to stop the bad guys, the things that leave you nattering about nothing.
.

Well, gosh Craig234. Many thanks for the lecture and the perspective on cows. 'Twas a very enlightening tome on your wisdom and proclamatory recreation. Here are three thoughts for you....all of which I'm certain you'll rationalize away, because...well...because that's the kinda guy you seem to be.
1. The above pretty much describes you and what you just blabbered about, so endlessly.

Craig234 said:
It's not so simple, children.
2. It has been a long time since we've seen this kind of arrogance, intolerance, and illogic.

Craig234 said:
First, how about because they just all suck so bad, we get rid of them. No more electing our 'leaders'. How would that be?
3. I personally think that would be great. But then I'm sort of an anarchist. But jeez, if you would run for office (and won), I'm sure we would be in great shape as a nation. But alas, you might only get one vote.

By the way, didn't you come to AH just after MacSomething left?! LOL.
 
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Sheep said:
Excellent post Craig234.

SheepStar
Hey Craig234...we now have you up to 2 votes for president! ;-) Oops. Wait. Sheep's Canadian. He can't vote for ya.

Sheep, I think you ought to start a new campaign on keeping the length of posts somewhere under 1,000 words.
 
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Sheep

Sheep

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rjbudz said:
Hey Craig234...we now have you up to 2 votes for president! ;-)

Sheep, I think you ought to start a new campaign on keeping the length of posts somewhere under 1,000 words.
Is there a problem RJ?

Though my post may be lacking in words, its much better then that atrocity you just posted.

And whats "By the way, didn't you come to AH just after MacSomething left?! LOL."? Very classy.

Call me crazy, but when someone like Craig writes a thorough post like that and you quote 3 lines, it doesn't make you look very good.

SheepStar
Oh BTW "2. It has been a long time since we've seen this kind of arrogance, intolerance, and illogic." Deja-Vue.
 

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