LCD, LED or Plasma 60"-65" for less than $4,500?

M

MovingForward

Audioholic Intern
Need some advice on the best 60"-65" TV LCD, LED or plasma under $4,500.00...Don't care but don't mind if it's 3D.Thanks!
 
M

MovingForward

Audioholic Intern
How can you recommend a TV when it's not even in the market yet? 3D is not important to me.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Because it's an upgrade from last year's model (65V10) which was very highly regarded and people are already placing pre-orders for it.

The best TVs this year, in this size, are going to be 3-D capable whether you use it or not.
 
SopRage

SopRage

Audioholic
In all likelihood, AVRat is right.

As long as Panasonic has fixed (or better masked) the black-level issue (which I have yet to notice on mine), my money's on them for best HDTV this year.
 
Patrukas777

Patrukas777

Senior Audioholic
Panasonic TC-P65VT25, available next month.
I agree...if your concern is that it hasn't come up yet, then get the 2009 version, Panosonic TC-P65V10. That TV is on sale from $2500 - $2800 all over the place. I would have to say that is the best tv in that size and price range. I have the 58'' version and love it.
 
Mika75

Mika75

Audioholic
2010 Panasonic rising black level hasn't been fixed.

D-Nice @ AVSforums

05-11-10: ALL, that means every single 2010 consumer Panasonic display, is going to have it's idle luminance rise over this first few thousand hours of use. This is direct from Panasonic engineeering in Japan. You are more than welcome to believe/ignore/pray/wish or whatever you want. Its not going to change the fact that they are going to rise. If you want to purchase the VT series, by all means do it. No one is holding a gun to your head saying you cannot buy the display. BUY IT and be done with it!
His comments on current Generation Plasma
05-12-10: I like the VT20/25's black levels and color. Gamma and grayscale tracking could be improved (especially gamma!!!!).
I like Samsungs, grayscale, gamma and color. Black levels are their weakest point (Plasma wise).
I have not calibrated an LG yet.
If I had to pick up another plasma, it would be a Panasonic due to the fact I do not buy Samsung (I hate the company but have much respect for their display performance and features) or LG products. So, Panasonic wins by default, not by actual performance.
When D-Nice was asked "Are there TVs on the market today, leftover KUROs aside, that have better blacks than a 2010 Panasonic set after the blacks have finished rising?"

He answered:
If you do not sit off axis, Local Dimming LED LCDs will.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18615187#post18615187
 
SopRage

SopRage

Audioholic
Still, even if locally-dimming LEDs will have blacker blacks, according to that last post, you'll still have to be right in the sweet spot, right?

Isn't the general consensus that plasma is still the superior technology?

Blooming/poorer off-axis viewing/input lag/simulated frames/etc seem to be trade-offs I wouldn't want to make.

However, I'm naturally biased since I still love my Panasonic even though the rising black level has "ruined" the picture :D
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
If you do not sit off axis, Local Dimming LED LCDs will.
This begs the question, how many degrees constitutes off-axis? Still, interesting nonetheless that LCDs have actually come this far, in regards to MLL only.

Sometimes, at a sports bar for instance, the topic of TVs comes up, and a friend will ask what kind of tv we are watching. I'd say, "oh a Pana plasma, you can tell immediately. See, with this angle, an LCD would look faded, washed out, with pizz poor color accuracy." Then I'd have them walk up to it, and check it out at different angles.

If it's me, with this budget and size, I also buy a Panny plasma.

When the MLL rises, I am still led to believe (though I am no expert), that there is zero contrast lost; the whole dynamic contrast ability is just moved higher. Then consider our eyes adapt to the given brightness. This is why some HTs with full blown PJ setups can get away with less than the THX foot lambert recommendation: our eyes adjust to a dimmer setting, and then the pic looks great still. You can't go tooo dim, but the point must still be considered.

My guess is that only a very small percentage of owners watch in a cave with the lights off, where it even truly matters.

However, if it rises so much to look GREY, then that is completely unacceptable. I just have a hard time thinking it could be that bad.

And remember, eventually, after enough usage, the raised voltage will actually be perfect. The schedule is just too premature, obviously, for some owners/units.
 
M

Motivated

Audiophyte
You should look for the latest reviews first before buying. This will help you decide on what to get.
 
M

MovingForward

Audioholic Intern
I decide to spend less on the TV. What is my best choice for the same size for under $3K?
 
SopRage

SopRage

Audioholic
65-inch Panasonic V10. Same thing as the upcoming VT series, but last year's model.

Absolutely the best choice. If you look on other threads, you'll find the consensus is almost always the Panasonic V10 (which you can afford).
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
No question about it..... the V10's are a serious bargain and there is no reason to pay $1500 more just to have a 3D label slapped on them....
 
DTV TiVo Dealer

DTV TiVo Dealer

Audioholic
Actually Panasonic made quite a few advancements in this year's flagship model. The biggest advantages are better color and non-glare coatings and filtering. Also the brightness and black level are very nicely improved.

And as far a the 3D capability goes, I am happy to say it woks great and is a very nice experience that everyone would enjoy.

I was also told that the timed voltage increase has been toned down.

-Robert
 
A

autoboy

Audioholic
the 65V10 is a fantastic TV. I'm very happy with mine. The blacks aren't Kuro black, but they are still the best you can get except for some of the local dimming LCDs, and I prefer the more natural picture of a Plasma over LCDs. There is also a S model panasonic that lacks THX certifications.
 
D

Docks

Audioholic
+1 for the panny plasma!

Only negative part of this... is that i would be jealous! :(
 
DTV TiVo Dealer

DTV TiVo Dealer

Audioholic
I agree ^^ Pioneer's 9th and last generation Kuros were the best TVs. Still this model PDP-6020FD is the entry level Kuro with no ISF modes and it also lacks the Elite pdp coatings and for a little less money you can get Panasonic's latest flagship 65" plasma.

Not sure which is actually better, but I would likely go for Panasonic's latest flagship 65" plasma HDTV.

-Robert
 
A

allargon

Audioholic General
Not in the same league as Panny or Pioneer--Fry's has a 60" 1080p LG plasma on sale this weekend for $1800.
 
DTV TiVo Dealer

DTV TiVo Dealer

Audioholic
I would choose a Samsung or Panasonic plasma for just a little more $.

-Robert
 
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