Just sat in on an audio sale...

Serj22

Serj22

Full Audioholic
I was trying to get a couple things from the only audio shop around and listened to the audio salesman (who is a really cool guy by the way, and I have nothing against him) try to sell equipment to two people. Me and my buddy were going in to just ask him if he wanted to come by our house and work with us on a design for covering the walls of the theater room in sound board, and dense MDF, and adding theater fabric. He's nice to us and does that sort of thing because my buddy bought $10,000 of stuff from the store so far.

Anyway, we stood in the corners of the room which was a dismal room, with a large stack of CD's and vinyls in one side, behind a large couch, looking far across the room at a pair of these Focal Grand Utopia's that monster out at about 6 feet tall, and weigh in somewhere around 2,000lbs or something like that:


there were smaller focals in front with similar styling, and a large table in the back of the room, with 2 record players on it, a cd player, power conditioner, several tube amplifiers and some other things.

We watched as they were mesmerized by a $7,500 turn-table, then in turn, wanted the $269,000 Focal Grands sitting in front of them as well, but were not sure if they could price in such at a gambit at the time.

The salesman was great. He was using words like "4 Grand" and "$3,000 speaker wire" and "sound quality" and "fills the room more." But he was using them in the terms: "If you're going to buy $4,000 speakers, you might as well buy the $3,000 speaker cable as well. There's no need to downgrade in quality of the wiring just to save a few bucks"

The two gentlemen ate it up like he was the last gas station before the horizon, "Yeah, we probably do need that"

Then came the record player demonstration, to which he applied 3 different weights on top. He applied the free one that comes with the player, a cheap piece of plastic, and spun the record and dropped the needle. It sounded really nice, but for $300,000 speakers, I expect to hear no fuzzy noises in the background whatsoever, but there were tons. Ok, maybe the record players fault. He then opened a glorious tiny cardboard box, and procured a small rubber weight with a hole drilled in the center with some company markings on top and said "This is our $250 weight, and watch the difference"

Sure enough, spinning the record again, it sounded different, but it didn't exactly sound "better." Again, $300,000 speakers shouldn't leave much to be desired.

"WOAH! JUST WOAH! Says the gentleman still sitting on the couch, It just sound more fuller, ya know?"

"YES EXACTLY! Said the salesman, these things are worth the money. but wait till you see this one, it's $900, but it's definitly worth it"

Out comes a significantly shinier weight ( I have no idea what they're called) and placed it on the record, spun it and dropped the needle. It was the same track, and I still could tell no difference, other than some of the "crackle" was gone that the previous piece did not help. No doubt about it, they were sold, he just showed them the Ferrari of metal lathe left-overs and they loved it.

He then showed them the power conditioner, "Well, this one's a must have, and it's about 4 grand"

The tone seemed to change, he seemed to realize that they were talking in the thousands range anyway, and just started dropping "grands" like it was the new currency. Like, an automobile salesman would be successful saying "This car... it's about 16 grand, but if we put the options in it, it will be 18 grand"

"so we definitly need this?" said the other gentleman who was remaining quiet most of the time as it was obvious "stereo" to him meant box with speakers, put the CD in, noise comes out. His face looking more and more puzzled with each drop of grands, and power conditioners and "special" speaker wire that ran into the $4,000 range.

This guy worked his magic, and the more talkative fellow asked for his business card, and then said he'd return tomorrow to purchase the things they had discussed. That salesman was sitting on a $40,000 deal, in just one sitting, and he hadn't even talked about a receiver yet. Just a pre-amp, turn-table, weight, power conditioner, and wires.

A subwoofer caught the non-talkative man's eye on the way out the door of the show room. He asked "what is that?" to which the salesman weaved his magic again, and said it's a Focal dual 15" subwoofer, as if it wasn't obvious - there were no dust covers, and it was just sitting there in the corner of the room -

"Wait a minute," Said the other man, "is it good quality?"

"Yes, it runs about 15 grand, and weighs about 400 pounds"

"Wow, I may add that in tomorrow, but I definitly want all the other stuff on this list I made here"

Then the gentleman shook hands with the salesman, and left.

Mind you, the price is a little outrageous for the things they were being sold, but what you may not have noticed from my story, is that there were no sound theories or quality references being sold. Not once did they inquire as to what each part really did, how much power they put out, or anything else for that matter. No, the items weren't set up for them specifically, they are the same things, every time we go in there, for at least the last 6 months. Sometimes things are added, but never changed - yet.

This salesman, had the skill - to basically point at something, and then go "See that? You want that, It's $5,000" and the customers, almost under a trance, said "I see that, I will pay $5,000, I want that." There wasn't even a choice in the matter, or even, "Maybe I want a different pre-amp?" or "Do I need that?" or even "is this the best one you offer?"

I wish I had that kind of talent. Just tell someone how much something weighs, and how much it costs, and they're sold on that. Apparently, if it's heavy, it's good.
 
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GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
The salesman must be a master jedi applying his mind tricks.
 
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jamie2112

Banned
Just proves the point that people for the most part are quite stupid.......
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Yeah, I just got my quartely bonus because the board of directors concluded that the company had a growth of 15% so far this year. Basically anyone in a senior management position, regardless of how they or I have or haven't affected this growth (even though they or I may be completely inept and may only be here because of one of Daddy's connections) gets a huge bonus, even if he's a bone head. What is a man that has had everything handed to him to do other than spend half of his bonus on tons of audio equipment that is just high dollar, not entirely sure what it all does, but my friends will be impressed. I'll spend the rest of the bonus on a vacation to Bora Bora while they install the $40,000 of audio equipment in my summer house (I'll honestly probably use this system 3 times a year).
 
Serj22

Serj22

Full Audioholic
The great thing is, now that I think about it, they hadn't discussed buying speakers yet either. I wonder what his commission is going to be off $60,000 or so?

By the way, after all this we asked him about our projector and how it doesn't have the correct mount pole, to which he said they charge too much for it and we could just go to Home Depot and get a piece of galvanized pipe and end piece and it screws right in to the projector plate he gave us. I hadn't thought of that, but once he mentioned it, I immediately knew what he was talking about since I used to work hardware.

I guess he was acknowledging our intelligence.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
i want what the salesman eats everyday ... they're damn effective at increasing his sales' powers.

it weighs 10 tons.

how much?

45 grand.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
"Pound for pound, this is the best system you're likely to find West of the Pecos".

The guys who were there would have been called 'strokers' when I started selling audio equipment and had no intention of buying anything. The salesman knew it and the one who did all of the talking was "the expert" that day. OTOH, they may have been casing the joint.

As far as his commission for a sale like that- if he's just a salesman, he may be paid a salary, which is a good way for the guy to make good money, even if the store doesn't. If the owner is smart, he pays a base salary and the commission is based on the profit he generates. This is a good motivator, but it also leads to sales of crap people don't need or want, just for the profit. Non-commission sales cause a far less competitive sales environment but unless the employees are completely loyal to the store and owner, it's a waste of money. It does, however, allow an owner to know exactly how much his payroll burden is on a continuous basis and he can make better estimates of when he's making a profit, or not. Basically, there's no way to tell without knowing the cost of the equipment and assuming it's "keystoned" is a mistake.
 
T2T

T2T

Senior Audioholic
I was in a newer audio store a few months back. They were still in the process of building and setting up a few of their demo systems. They did have the Focal Utopias ... and, I was offered I chance to listen to them. However, I declined because I knew if I heard them, I'd probably love them and then start an obsession - or, one that I couldn't afford.

Also, a few years back, I was at another audio dealer - who sold Wilson speakers. I asked about their sales history and ironically, they indicated they had sold about 3 pair in the past year. One of the pairs happened to be purchased by a mail carrier. I guess the moral of this 2nd story is that there are actually some people out there who do opt for an ultimate level of sound even though they may not have the level of disposable income as the "uppity, uppity" stars with more buying power.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I guess the moral of this 2nd story is that there are actually some people out there who do opt for an ultimate level of sound even though they may not have the level of disposable income as the "uppity, uppity" stars with more buying power.
Or the guy has a real handle on his finances.
 
chris357

chris357

Senior Audioholic
anytime a guys says yeah I'll be back tomorrow to buy it... is a dead give away that he is long gone!!! if he was seriousl he'd have bought it right then.. or at least say lets get the ball rolling and here is my credit card i'll put a deposit or something.
 
Serj22

Serj22

Full Audioholic
Actually, Mike (the salesman) called me today to confirm that he would come over and check it out, but the two guys we saw the other day were back in and he was doing a bunch of paperwork, so he'd have to come by later tonight.

I guess they were buying it...
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
Ditto...no ducats exchanged, no sale.

The salesman is one of two things. He is either a liar (stating that $4K cables are superior), or just as uninformed as his customer. I don't understand why anyone would hold this guy in high esteem. This story is further evidence on how the 'high-end' market has lost its way.
 
Serj22

Serj22

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Actually, I personally know, that Mike knows his stuff, and he has countlessly stated to us that we don't need expensive wire whenever he comes over to help us. He is a also a great installer. As it turns out, he sold the components, and said he's going to be able to pay off the rest of his car from the kick-back so he's real excited. Apparently the gentleman who wasn't talking that much was the guy's brother and he wasn't the one buying anything, but he did ask a lot of questions on the "construction quality" of anything they were buying when they came back in this morning.

I do recall the guy that was in there saying something about selling his company, so that may be where all the wasted money is coming from, he also told us "If you ever do that, get a divorce first, then you can keep all the money"

"Will do...":rolleyes:

I'll just have to sell my car audio business... but then whoever buys it will start working out of my garage, and I'm not sure I like that.:D
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
I suppose there was no gun to the head of the buyer, so I should not be so judgemental. After all, it's his decision to throw down $4k for cables, even if poorly informed. I'm sure Mike is a great guy, trying to pay the bills, and his shop is forced to sell high margin items to stay open.

It still seems unscrupulous to apply different standards to the uninformed and overtly lie to a customer. Seems to me that those who possess the requisite tools for achievement don't rely on the exploitation of others so much, and the truly intelligent generally tend to benefit both parties in business transactions, but such is life in buyer-beware consumerism where uninformed consumers face amoral, self-interested salesfolk.
 
Serj22

Serj22

Full Audioholic
I think it all comes down to raport, because my friend got a nice JVC projector from them,

and he let him buy the display model because he couldn't afford the $7,000 price tag. He let it go for $3,500 and even threw in another bulb for free, since it had been used for 1,000 hours already.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Actually, I personally know, that Mike knows his stuff, and he has countlessly stated to us that we don't need expensive wire whenever he comes over to help us. He is a also a great installer. As it turns out, he sold the components, and said he's going to be able to pay off the rest of his car from the kick-back so he's real excited. Apparently the gentleman who wasn't talking that much was the guy's brother and he wasn't the one buying anything, but he did ask a lot of questions on the "construction quality" of anything they were buying when they came back in this morning.

I do recall the guy that was in there saying something about selling his company, so that may be where all the wasted money is coming from, he also told us "If you ever do that, get a divorce first, then you can keep all the money"

"Will do...":rolleyes:

I'll just have to sell my car audio business... but then whoever buys it will start working out of my garage, and I'm not sure I like that.:D
Make your house and garage part of the deal. That way, they're working out of their garage.
 
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oppman99

Senior Audioholic
It still seems unscrupulous to apply different standards to the uninformed and overtly lie to a customer. Seems to me that those who possess the requisite tools for achievement don't rely on the exploitation of others so much, and the truly intelligent generally tend to benefit both parties in business transactions, but such is life in buyer-beware consumerism where uninformed consumers face amoral, self-interested salesfolk.
I think this speaks to the changes in business models in general in this country. Many moons ago it was about making a quality product and a fair profit. Now it's about leeching every dollar possible out of the consumer. As an example, consider a couple years ago when gas was $4+/gallon. We were told it was due to higher crude oil prices, but the oil companies reported record profits that year. Apple does the same thing with their marketing. I can usually get an mp3 player from another company with similar storage capacity for about half the price and in many cases it will be of higher quality.

As mentioned in earlier, we need to protect ourselves from being the uninformed consumers. I think that's part of why many of us spend so much time on these forums. I know you won't find any $4k cables in my system.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Apparently, if it's heavy, it's good.
Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it. :D

Seriously thou, good salesmen w/o any education can make a killing in audio selling "$4k cables"
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
Just proves the point that people for the most part are quite stupid.......
I agree but when people have money falling out of their pockets sometimes they just don't care about it as long as they can brag to their friends how much they spent. That being said I am not so sure that if I won a ton of money in the lottery I wouldn't do the same thing.....:eek:
 
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