Is this true about speakers?

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DavidS827

Audioholic Intern
I was in one of the local electronics stores recently and I was asking about speakers. The guy there told me that I should always put my better speakers as my rear surround and the others as my front L/R. Does this make sense? I did try doing what he suggested and I have to admit, it does seem to sound better.....it could just be me hearing what I want to hear though.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Dave
 
emorphien

emorphien

Audioholic General
I'd be really curious to hear why he says to do that because I sure as hell wouldn't agree. You hear things in front of you better than behind so why would you put your good speakers behind you?
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
The suggestion from the guy at the store is nuts. So nuts in fact that I have to think there was a misunderstanding or that one of you had smoked too much weed that day.

Nick
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
The guy who told you that must like the sound from the rear better because he has his head up his arse. It is simply idiotic.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
If it sounds better to you, then have fun.

As far as I'm concerned it just shows to go ya that the power of suggestion is all to powerful and is abused in this hobby.

As for what he told you, he's full of shiite. the front speakers are the most important speakers. For HT, it's the venter and then the front R/L. In stereo, it's the front R/L. The rears are so out of the equation that what he said is laughable.
 
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DavidS827

Audioholic Intern
I don't remember what he said verbatim, but it was basically that if you have 4 speakers - 2 good, 2 better than good - that you should put the two better speakers in the rear to get a more enveloping sound.
Maybe he had been smoking something then. I asked him several times if I understood him correctly and he said yes......
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
DavidS827 said:
I don't remember what he said verbatim, but it was basically that if you have 4 speakers - 2 good, 2 better than good - that you should put the two better speakers in the rear to get a more enveloping sound.
Maybe he had been smoking something then. I asked him several times if I understood him correctly and he said yes......
Was this audio store located in Poland by chance?
 
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HAL9000

Banned
No, but you know it's gonna be bad when they offer to sell you Bose and Monster, then start the conversation with "Hello, welcome to White Van audio sales my name is Ashley. Here let me give you some audio advice." ;)

Better speakers in the rear, that's almost as hokey as "whole overhead sound." :D
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
DavidS827 said:
I don't remember what he said verbatim, but it was basically that if you have 4 speakers - 2 good, 2 better than good - that you should put the two better speakers in the rear to get a more enveloping sound.
Maybe he had been smoking something then. I asked him several times if I understood him correctly and he said yes......
Not only doesn't he get it, it sounds like you may not quite get it yet either. Which is why websites like this have a lot of good, unbiased information about the technologies involved. Don't look at brands, pricing, or anything else, just look at what you are trying to achieve, then worry about who is best/worst for your money later on.

If you are looking to do surround sound then you need to start with the most basic of things... No, not speakers to go around you, but a SOURCE that is actually a surround sound source.

Let's say you have a regular CD you bought from the store. That CD, at most, is 2 channels. It is stereo. Run it through 95 speakers, know what you have?

Stereo.

Stereo through lots and lots of speakers.

Multiple speakers aren't supposed to simply wrap you in sound, they are supposed to discretely represent the intent of the director of the film or the creator of the surround sound mix. SACD and DVD-Audio can contain surround sound, and almost all DVDs use surround sound.

So, we know have a surround sound source... what do we expect from it?

1. For music the front left and right speakers will contain 90%+ of what is going on.

2. For movies, anything related to dialog will come primarily from the center channel.

3. This means that the absolute best speakers should be the front left, right and center channels.

4. In an ideal world, you will identically match all 5 (or 7) speakers in your surround sound setup so that you get perfectly matched audio throughout the room.

5. If you are on a budget and need to spend less on certain speakers, then the FIRST speakers to start going cheap on are the surrounds. Since far less audio should ever come from the surrounds those speakers won't be driven as hard and won't suffer as much from being of lower quality.

6. Just because you go cheaper with the surrounds does not mean you don't have to properly set them up and calibrate them for the room they are in. Properly calibrated cheaper surrounds will still sound very good and do their job nicely.

7. A good subwoofer is what will really help put you into the action during movies. People freak on the concept of spending $1,000+ on a subwoofer. They shouldn't. The subwoofer, for movies, is about the most critical piece for immersing a person in the film. The surrounds help. The center channel will often be the most important for being able to clearly hear the audio.

8. Sales guys are 95%+ clueless. Yes, even in smaller specialty chains like the Magnolias, Tweeters, and others.
 
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DavidS827

Audioholic Intern
Thanks for the info guys...I knew it sounded a little off and definitely went against everything I had ever heard/read.
 
sleeper

sleeper

Audioholic Intern
j_garcia said:
The guy who told you that must like the sound from the rear better because he has his head up his arse. It is simply idiotic.

Nice! :D

sleeper.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
HAL9000 said:
No, but you know it's gonna be bad when they offer to sell you Bose and Monster, then start the conversation with "Hello, welcome to White Van audio sales my name is Ashley. Here let me give you some audio advice." ;)

Better speakers in the rear, that's almost as hokey as "whole overhead sound." :D
Give me a break. Don't you find it a little pathetic to join a forum just to heckle one member about a past mistake? If you would like to continue discussing this please PM me.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
BMXTRIX said:
8. Sales guys are 95%+ clueless. Yes, even in smaller specialty chains like the Magnolias, Tweeters, and others.
I've met a few people in Magnolia that actually know what they are talking about, but those were a few out of all of them, and those with real knowledge didn't stick around long. Now that they have the stores within Best Buy, I'm sure I won't find that to be the case any longer.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
j_garcia said:
I've met a few people in Magnolia that actually know what they are talking about, but those were a few out of all of them, and those with real knowledge didn't stick around long. Now that they have the stores within Best Buy, I'm sure I won't find that to be the case any longer.
I still find it to be the case. The number may be a bit high, but compared to many of us audio/video enthusiasts the guys in retail simply don't have a clue. Sometimes they truly are clueless, other times they are simply not trained well enough - or properly.

I've worked for local DC store chain Myer-Emco as a design engineer and ran into a long line of sales guys that were incredibly clueless despite working at the stores for a year or more. But, it helps when you start with good product to begin with. It still doesn't stop a sales guy from putting 4 B&W 801s into a 10' x 10' room... in Aruba.
 
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Club1820

Audiophyte
highfihoney said:
Was this audio store located in Poland by chance?
Whoa! Good thing I'm not Polish so that I won't be offended!
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
Club1820 said:
Whoa! Good thing I'm not Polish so that I won't be offended!
Everybody's offenended now days at everything:rolleyes:
 
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jsantos615

Junior Audioholic
DavidS827 said:
I was in one of the local electronics stores recently and I was asking about speakers. The guy there told me that I should always put my better speakers as my rear surround and the others as my front L/R. Does this make sense? I did try doing what he suggested and I have to admit, it does seem to sound better.....it could just be me hearing what I want to hear though.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Dave
that man deserves a waist-band ripping super wedgie! did he also try to sell you a bose wave radio, because it sounds better than a wall-full of components?
 
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