Is speaker hiss normal?

S

Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
When I listen to TV shows I notice a faint hiss... i am just wondering if that is normal?

From what Ive been google'ing hiss is common from analog sources...

I use a Dish Network 722 connect to an Onkyo 876 via Optical Cable and pumped through some SVS towers. I used Audyssey MultEQ for setup/room correction, they are wired with monster cable XP speaker wire.

The strange thing is, then i listen with headphones i don't hear any hiss at all...

Thanks everyone...
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
1) Processor DSP. Do you hear hiss in SOURCE DIRECT mode?
2) Source material. The hiss might be part of the recording. Do you hear it with other electronics off? Try to stick to as many digital transports when possible to minimize sources of noise.
3) You may just have noisy amps. Hopefully not.
 
F

FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Ah, the dreaded "noise floor". I HATE having any sort of noise floor. I chase silence from my sound system in exactly the same way I chase a true black from my display ;)

To answer your first question: hiss is very common, but it should NOT be audible. Many, many, many amps will produce a very low-level hiss, regardless of anything else that may be happening in your system. But it should NOT be audible. Sometimes, you can put your ear right up against the tweeter of your speaker when nothing is playing and hear this low-level hiss, but at your seat, with nothing playing, it should be dead silence. That's the goal, anyway.

If you can hear a hiss while you are watching a TV show, then that is NOT normal. A lot of components produce their own hiss or buzz. It usually comes from the power supply. Subwoofers, amps, receivers, TVs - they all might produce an audible buzz or hiss. My Pioneer Kuro KRP plasma monitor produces a buzz from the plasma panel itself - it is my ONE complaint about this otherwise nearly perfect display!

But an audible hiss from your speakers while you are watching a TV show indicates that something is not right. With that knowledge, it's a matter of tracking down the source of the hiss.

Try disconnecting everything except your speakers from the receiver. In other words, zero cords attached to the back of your Onkyo except for the speaker wires running to your speakers. Turn on your receiver and see if you have an audible hiss. Try going to all of the different inputs (DVD, Cable Box, Tape, Phono, Aux, etc.) See if all of them produce a hiss or just some of them or none of them.

If you do not hear any hiss from any input selection, then we know that the hiss is not just coming from the receiver itself. If you DO hear a hiss, it isn't necessarily the end of the world. If you hear a hiss from some input selections, but not others, then that indicates some sort of circuit problem in your receiver and you should have it serviced or replaced. The hiss should either be present with all inputs or none of them when there is nothing but the speakers attached.

If you get a hiss regardless of the input, then try connecting just a stereo RCA L/R analogue device (eg. a CD player) to an input. Select that input on the receiver, make sure it is set to use the analogue input (you can usually choose if you want to use the analogue RCA input or the optical, coax or an HDMI as the audio source). Turn on the CD player (or other analogue source), but do not play anything. Did the hiss disappear?

It's actually pretty normal for a receiver to produce a hiss from the speakers when there is nothing at all attached, but then go silent as soon as a source device is connected and powered on. If this is what happens, then we know that the problem lies either with the specific input that you are using for your Dish box, or the hiss is coming from the Dish box itself.

So, naturally, try connecting that CD player that you just used to test the receiver to the input that you would normally use for your Dish box. Try the analogue RCA L/R connections, try the coax connection, try the optical connection. Set the receiver to "look" for the input that you are using and see what happens with the hiss. If you can get the input to work without a hiss, then we know that the hiss is coming from the Dish box itself.

Hope that helps!
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I think as long as you can only hear the hiss noise with your ears against the tweeters, it's okay and normal.

Now if you can hear the noise from 2 ft away, then it's not okay & normal.

Now on my Denon + ATI + Def Tech system, I could not hear any hiss whatsoever with my ears against the drivers of any speakers.

But on my friend Tim's Linkwitz Orion speaker system, I could hear a slight hiss with my ears against the drivers.
 
S

Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
Ok i did a little trouble shooting...

With everything unhooked from the receiver but the speakers i went through all the inputs selections...

what i found was as long as the audi mode was set to "Stereo" I heard ZERO hiss... but when i selected any the mode I heard the hiss. It was less faint when i selected the THX modes.

With everything hooked back up...

I put the receiver in "Direct" mode and I also get zero hiss

And I also notice, I get hiss in all modes EXCEPT the THX modes, including "Stereo" when listing to Dish receiver through Optical cable...
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
When I listen to TV shows I notice a faint hiss... i am just wondering if that is normal?

From what Ive been google'ing hiss is common from analog sources...

I use a Dish Network 722 connect to an Onkyo 876 via Optical Cable and pumped through some SVS towers. I used Audyssey MultEQ for setup/room correction, they are wired with monster cable XP speaker wire.

The strange thing is, then i listen with headphones i don't hear any hiss at all...

Thanks everyone...
Speakers don't produce his- they re-produce hiss. Amps and other devices that pass signal along the path or produce gain, even if it's unity gain, can produce noise. If you look at the specs for your equipment, the most likely suspect will have the worst signal to noise ratio (80dB S/N is better than 40dB) and the S/N ratio may be expressed as -80dB, meaning that it's 80dB below the reference audio level.

If you connected the satellite receiver to the TV and the audio goes from the TV to the AV receiver's analog input, that's a great way to have noisy signal. If you use the digital audio signal path, it should be clear of noise, although this isn't an absolute.

Also, it's definitely possible that the show's audio is noisy.

You may not hear it with headphones because a headphone jack usually has resistors to drop the audio level to prevent the headphones' output from being excessive- if your receiver is capable of 100W/ch, you wouldn't want that power level going to the little speakers in headphones that are 1" from your eardrums.
 
S

Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
I think I made a breakthrough...

I changed the EQ settings from "Dynamic EQ" to "MultEQ XT" and it eliminated hiss on ALL modes...

::shrugs shoulders::
:confused:
 
S

Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
While messing around with it a little bit today, i notice a HUGE decrease in low end when using MultEQ XT..

I guess until I get a subwoofer ill just put up with the hiss and use Dynamic EQ for more range...
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
While messing around with it a little bit today, i notice a HUGE decrease in low end when using MultEQ XT..

I guess until I get a subwoofer ill just put up with the hiss and use Dynamic EQ for more range...
I don't think you can have Dynamic EQ without MultEQ XT to begin with, but you tell me since you have it, and I've never had it. ;) So I might rephrase your saying from "when using MultEQ XT" to "when disabling Dynamic EQ". Or please correct me if I'm wrong??

That's really too bad about the hiss though, whatever tech is being employed.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I think here's what's happening,

Dynamic EQ boosts frequencies we're less sensitive to, in order to give a lifelike tonal balance at lower volumes.

However noise is also boosted. If at 100db we hear noise, and at 85db we don't, then a 15db boost of certain frequencies, even at a usual volume of 85db, might make them audible.
 
S

Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
I think here's what's happening,

Dynamic EQ boosts frequencies we're less sensitive to, in order to give a lifelike tonal balance at lower volumes.

However noise is also boosted. If at 100db we hear noise, and at 85db we don't, then a 15db boost of certain frequencies, even at a usual volume of 85db, might make them audible.
Makes sense to me...

Is there a way to adjust DEQ settings?

Could this have been caused by a error by me when using Audyssey?
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I think here's what's happening,

Dynamic EQ boosts frequencies we're less sensitive to, in order to give a lifelike tonal balance at lower volumes.

However noise is also boosted. If at 100db we hear noise, and at 85db we don't, then a 15db boost of certain frequencies, even at a usual volume of 85db, might make them audible.
But wouldn't the frequencies being boosted be in the bass (which wouldn't sound like hiss, ideally)? You know, that whole Fletcher Munson curve thing.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Hiss in speakers normally comes from a bad board or a ground loop. My only experiences with real hiss came from a bad board in the receiver. A ground loop normally had a different kind of hiss.
 
H

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I think I made a breakthrough...

I changed the EQ settings from "Dynamic EQ" to "MultEQ XT" and it eliminated hiss on ALL modes...

::shrugs shoulders::
:confused:
Did you run Audyssey before turning DynamicEQ or MultiEQ XT on? If not, go back and do that- AFTER reading the section in the manual about setup. These can only work correctly when Audyssey has been run.
 
H

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Hiss in speakers normally comes from a bad board or a ground loop. My only experiences with real hiss came from a bad board in the receiver. A ground loop normally had a different kind of hiss.
Hiss doesn't come from ground loops- hum does. Hiss is from excessive gain or noisy components.
 
H

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I think here's what's happening,

Dynamic EQ boosts frequencies we're less sensitive to, in order to give a lifelike tonal balance at lower volumes.

However noise is also boosted. If at 100db we hear noise, and at 85db we don't, then a 15db boost of certain frequencies, even at a usual volume of 85db, might make them audible.
If it hisses, it's possible that Audyssey needs to be run again- maybe because there was some kind of noise while it was running the previous time.
 
S

Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
Did you run Audyssey before turning DynamicEQ or MultiEQ XT on? If not, go back and do that- AFTER reading the section in the manual about setup. These can only work correctly when Audyssey has been run.
I did a "factory reset" then just plugged in the mic and followed the on screen setup guide

If it hisses, it's possible that Audyssey needs to be run again- maybe because there was some kind of noise while it was running the previous time.
I turned off the HVAC system, unplugged fish tank... it was pretty quiet
 
S

Sounds Good

Senior Audioholic
Its is finished, I ran Audyseey after I made sure to turn off all EQ setting, I have the same results... :(

I noticed after I ran Audyseey I automatically turned on DynamicEQ

I have hiss in stereo, mono, and Dolby modes...

I get NO hiss in Direct, Pure Audio and greatly reduced hiss in THX modes....
 
G

god9868

Audiophyte
it's your Cable.

use a different speaker wire and you will eliminate hiss
 

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