Is it just a "handshake" issue??

[DeepSeaDan]

Hey,

My new H.K. 347 seems to relay only audio via HDMI to my Panny Viera, whether the source is a digital cable box or my PS3. I've sent the receiver to the shop once - they said it was operating normally. I've tried sequential powering-up, & turning the components on in different order, all to no avail.

Any suggestions or guideance is much appreciated.

DSD

 

[Midcow2]

What level of HDMI ? you need 1.3 for both audio and video

Hey,

My new H.K. 347 seems to relay only audio via HDMI to my Panny Viera, whether the source is a digital cable box or my PS3. I've sent the receiver to the shop once - they said it was operating normally. I've tried sequential powering-up, & turning the components on in different order, all to no avail.

Any suggestions or guideance is much appreciated.

DSD

What level of HDMI are each of your components. HDMI was an evloving standard and even though the specs on HDMI 1.1 and HDMI 1.2 stated they would pass both audi and video, MOST vendors did not implement the ability to pass both video/aduio until you get to level HDMI 1.3.

Your new HK 347 is rated at only at HDMI 1.1 and this is the problem.WOW just looked at your manaual online very nice use of color and color coding in manual, my Marantz is only black and white.

PS3 supports HDMI 1.3 and so does your TV.

 

[DeepSeaDan]

Okay...

What level of HDMI are each of your components. HDMI was an evloving standard and even though the specs on HDMI 1.1 and HDMI 1.2 stated they would pass both audi and video, MOST vendors did not implement the ability to pass both video/aduio until you get to level HDMI 1.3.

Your new HK 347 is rated at only at HDMI 1.1 and this is the problem.WOW just looked at your manaual online very nice use of color and color coding in manual, my Marantz is only black and white.

PS3 supports HDMI 1.3 and so does your TV.

...is this "1.1" problem fixable or do I have to buy another receiver? I find this hard to understand as the unit was providing video initially. It was sending both cable & PS3 signals on to the t.v. It worked quite well for about 2 weeks, then nothing.

BTW, what page in the manual does it list the designation of "1.1"?

DSD

 

[Davemcc]

HDMI 1.1 will pass audio and video. Up until last year, it was the single most common implentation of HDMI, probably still is. This issue will have nothing to do with the version of HDMI. Please hold while I check a few things for you.

 

[Midcow2]

IMHO- Not fixable with HDMI 1.1 = HK 354 would work!

Overview sales blurb:
"AVR 347
7.1-Channel A/V Receiver With HDMI™ Switching and Audio/Video Processing
385W: 55 watts x 7 (All channels operating at full-rated power), THD <0.07%, 20Hz - 20kHz into 8 ohms
665W: 95 watts x 7, THD <0.07%, @1kHz into 8ohms
Picture this! The AVR 347 not only includes a host of powerful features such as DCDi® by Faroudja video processing, Simplay HD™-verified HDMI™ 1.1 connectivity with full audio processing and EzSet/EQ™ technology – it uses a colorful user interface to make system setup and operation easier than ever. Add full multiroom capability with A-BUS® connectivity and you have pure Harman Kardon® sound everywhere in the house."

Page 7 says:
Simplay HD™-verified HDMI™ 1 and 2 with audio/video processing,
1080p pass-through and repeater for increased cable lengths without
signal degradation "

However, apparently the HK 347 was built in April 2007 before the HDMI 1.3 spec was finalized and therefore even though they state they pass audio/video, I don't think they can adherring to HDMI 1.3 standards.



Also from your manual on page 20:

NOTE: Since the AVR 347 is capable of processing the audio
and video portions of most HDMI signals, if your video display
device has an HDMI input, you may make a single HDMI
connection from your HDMI 1.1-or-higher source device (such
as a DVD player) to the AVR. In that case, no separate digital
audio connection is required. Make sure to turn the volume on
your television all the way off.



IMHO Not fixable! SORRY. However, you can connect separate audio cables and you are all set.
Look at the specs on the HK AVR 354 (May 2008) it supports HMDI 1.3a and would work! If there is anyway you can trade-in or return you 347 that is what I would do

 

[Davemcc]

Midcow,
http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/kb.aspx

 

[Davemcc]

Dan,
I just wanted to check the controls on your receiver. It does look pretty straight forward in terms of settings. The fact that you are getting audio indicates that you do have the connections set up properly. The HDMI audio signal is encoded into the video signal transmission, so if one is being sent, they both are. If your TV is getting HDMI audio, the video signal must be being recieved as well. The question is what is happening to it?

One question, when you try to use your receiver's OSD, does it display on your TV?

Since the system was working properly at some point, perhaps a reset to factory defaults would help to get you back to where it was. There could have been an HDCP issue that disabled the video portion of the display. A reset might eliminate that.

From the manual:
"To reset the AVR 347, place the receiver in Standby mode (press the
front-panel Standby/On Switch so that the Power Indicator turns amber).
Then press and hold the front-panel Tone Mode Button for at least five
seconds until the RESET message appears in the display."

 

[Midcow2]

Specs say yes , actual says NO

Midcow,
http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/kb.aspx

Davemcc,

I am fully aware of what the specs on HDMI say. It is just that is not how it has really been implemented.

Of all the research and equipments interfaces and match-ups I have research and actually been involved with I encountered numerous problems trying to interface HDMI 1.1 , HDMI 1.2 and HDMI 1.3 equipment from different vendors unless all were at HDMI 1.3 level.

Within the Audioholocs forums, as you are well aware, the HDMI dilemma has been discussed ad infinitum and even though HDMI 1.1 is supposed to work an pass both audio and video and HDMI 1.2 is supposed to pass both audio and video, there seems to be anb inconsistency and therefore an incompatibility between how various vendors implemented the standards.

A person may well find a specfic example whereby HDMI 1.1 or HMDI 1.2 will pass both audio/video when ALL of the equipment is supplied by the same vendor. However, IMHO when you mix vendors between DVD, TV, AVR et,c you are asking for potentially and innumerable problems when you have levels of HDMI below 1.3

Thanks,

MidCow2

P.S.- I had a 98 HK system; it sounded really, really good and was really, really fast but had high maintenance and the real boss didn't like the way it drove!

P.S.S. Davemcc Thanks for you input and help and if I am wrong, Mea Culpa to all

 

[bandphan]

could the settings you're currently using be posted?

 

[Davemcc]

A person may well find a specfic example whereby HDMI 1.1 or HMDI 1.2 will pass both audio/video when ALL of the equipment is supplied by the same vendor. However, IMHO when you mix vendors between DVD, TV, AVR et,c you are asking for potentially and innumerable problems when you have levels of HDMI below 1.3

I'm not sure that I even have two HDMI components by the same vendor, yet all have worked flawlessly passing audio and video. My HDMI 1.1 Denon handled the PS3 as well as multiple varieties of both cable and sat. boxes and players from Samsung, Cambridge, and LG to power three different Samsung displays the current Toshiba and the use of the Algolith Flea. These HDMI 1.1 devices also work flawlessly on my 1.3a processor. My 1.1 Denon is now in the bedroom system playing the PS3 just fine.

Seriously, I don't think that I'm just plain lucky to have never had any serious HDMI issues. In fact, in terms of luck o' the draw with audio components, I'm downright cursed.

But back to Dan's quandary, the PS3 is HDMI 1.2 but his cable box is assuredly v1.1. If one worked and not the other, perhaps I could see your point. But the fact that he gets audio from both sources but no video leads in another direction, from what I can tell to HDCP which generally disables HD video or quite possibly just a handshake issue.

 

[DeepSeaDan]

All I get...

I'm not sure that I even have two HDMI components by the same vendor, yet all have worked flawlessly passing audio and video. My HDMI 1.1 Denon handled the PS3 as well as multiple varieties of both cable and sat. boxes and players from Samsung, Cambridge, and LG to power three different Samsung displays the current Toshiba and the use of the Algolith Flea. These HDMI 1.1 devices also work flawlessly on my 1.3a processor. My 1.1 Denon is now in the bedroom system playing the PS3 just fine.

Seriously, I don't think that I'm just plain lucky to have never had any serious HDMI issues. In fact, in terms of luck o' the draw with audio components, I'm downright cursed.

But back to Dan's quandary, the PS3 is HDMI 1.2 but his cable box is assuredly v1.1. If one worked and not the other, perhaps I could see your point. But the fact that he gets audio from both sources but no video leads in another direction, from what I can tell to HDCP which generally disables HD video or quite possibly just a handshake issue.

...from the PS3 as to audio is the little intro. ditty that it plays when you insert a dvd - it won't play any audio from either a music cd or a dvd movie; however, the cable box audio is continuous on any channel selected.

I will try the OSD & see what I get...

Y'all are the best! Thanks for helping as I have little hair left to pull!

Regards,
DSD

 

[Midcow2]

H'mmm

....
But back to Dan's quandary, the PS3 is HDMI 1.2 but his cable box is assuredly v1.1. If one worked and not the other, perhaps I could see your point. But the fact that he gets audio from both sources but no video leads in another direction, from what I can tell to HDCP which generally disables HD video or quite possibly just a handshake issue.

Does the PS3 really have HDMI 1.3?http://formatwarcentral.com/2007/05/08/does-the-ps3-really-have-hdmi-13/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
"All models include: Blu-ray/DVD/CD drive, HDMI 1.3a,[52] Bluetooth 2.0, Gigabit Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T), PlayStation One backward compatibility[53] through software emulation,[54] and a glossy finish[55] "

Are you sure the PS3 is only level HDMI 1.3; remember the PS3 is software based and there have been an continue to be a lot of upgrades.
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I am not sure about cable or satellite. You system passes audio while a lot of problems I have encountered seem to pass video and not audio.

Just to be sure, the cable connected directly to the TV via HDMI works.

PS3 directly to TV works. And iassume component from cable to HK to TV and component from PS3 to HK to TV works.

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Davemcc,

Let's get back to the OP's problem. You say it is not caused by the level of HDMI not being 1.3. Then what is his problem and what is the solution.

OP could you go to the store and borrow a HK 354 and what do you say if if works? Then it was a HDMI 1.3 compatibility issue. And if it doesn't work I am totatally WRONG and I will eat crow and polish and wax Damecc's system for an extended period of time and bow to you graces.

Later,

MidCow2

Goal: fix the problem

 

[trnqk7]

I'm with Dave, this should work. I get audio/video from my DISH VIP622 via hdmi and from my ps3 via hdmi through a Denon 2807 (HDMI 1.1 at best....) including 1080p video...through hdmi to my Sony TV. I'd try resetting everything and starting fresh after writing down settings...then go through step by step until you get it back or find out what is causing it to not work...

 

[DeepSeaDan]

I mentioned...

...my frustrations with the A.V. equipment to my 15 yr. old son; :5 later he came back & said he had the whole shebang working!?! I was up to me arse in renovating my laundry room & had given up for a spell.

I feel very, freaking OLD.

But I'm glad it's working!

Sorry to trouble y'all gents. Next time I'll try to have a legitimate problem before I darken your door...

Best,
DSD

 

[Davemcc]

That's great to hear everything's working again. Did your son happen to mention what he did to get it working? I'm very interested in the solution because it seems like a very odd situation to have HDMI audio without video. But don't wait for a problem to crop up before come around for a visit.

 

[Midcow2]

Eating Crow

That's great to hear everything's working again. Did your son happen to mention what he did to get it working? I'm very interested in the solution because it seems like a very odd situation to have HDMI audio without video. But don't wait for a problem to crop up before come around for a visit.

Okay Dave you were right! I thought this was strange one ,because it is usually the audio that is the problem not the video.

At least I am glad the problem is fixed. Hopefully, the TV was set to select the HDMI input.

 

[DeepSeaDan]

It was...

That's great to hear everything's working again. Did your son happen to mention what he did to get it working? I'm very interested in the solution because it seems like a very odd situation to have HDMI audio without video. But don't wait for a problem to crop up before come around for a visit.

...something as simple as assigning the correct component input for the t.v. - a pretty simple & obvious fix I guess. I just didn't take the time to suss things out too carefully.

Now, if I may, here's another problem that even the whiz-kid can't figure out:

I have 5 speakers + a sub. When I play a music cd using the PS3, I get sound from only the two front speakers - nothing from the other 3 or the sub. How can I configure the PS3 to deliver the sound to all speakers? Or is this done via the receiver some how?

Thanks for this...

DSD

 

[Davemcc]

Hey,

My new H.K. 347 seems to relay only audio via HDMI to my Panny Viera,

Oh man, there's the source of my confusion quoted above. I thought you were actually running HDMI audio to the TV and hearing it from the TV's speakers but not getting video. In that case, I just assumed that the TV was set to the proper input since you were hearing the audio from the TV itself.

As for the PS3, CD audio is recorded as stereo. If you want to use the other speakers, you have to select a sound mode like PLII-music, etc. If you are not hearing the sub, it may be a setup issue. I can't make a connection to Harman Kardon's website right now, but I'd have to go back and look at the receiver's menu. In the meantime, I can suggest that some receivers have a separate menu for two channel audio where you have to select the sub again in the two-channel menu. Otherwise, when the receiver detects a stereo signal, it will only play the main speakers.

Okay Dave you were right!

Sometimes that happens. Not as often as I'd like, but it still happens sometimes.

The goal here is to help each other out. There's no need to eat crow when we're all here among friends.

 

[davidtwotrees]

There's no need to eat crow when we're all here among friends.

Yeah, but he's got it all plated up an everything............

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