iPod over ceiling mounted bathroom speakers

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buurin

Audiophyte
I have a townhome being built & I am looking for an audio(music) solution for the bathroom & kitchen primarily. I am not an audiophile at all.

I am looking for a way to play music from a network attached storage device & streaming service (i.e. Pandora) over flush mounted ceiling/wall speakers.

Currently in my apartment, I simply have some battery powered portable speakers that I connect my smartphone. I'd like to cleanup this solution.

I'm looking at basing my solution around a Squeezebox Touch when it comes available.

Currently the electrician has proposed installing an 'OnQ Lyriq' 4-zone whole house audio system which seems like overkill for $1,600 installed (no speakers).

I feel like I have two options: Powered vs Unpowered Speakers + Amp.

For the powered speaker option I envision something like this:
Powered speakers installed in the ceiling
Audio Input (either 1/8" or RCA) in the wall to attached iPod/Squeezebox
Wall mounted volume control (not sure how this would connect)

For the unpowered option I envision:
Audio Input (either 1/8" or RCA) in the wall to attached iPod/Squeezebox
Audio input would be wired to receiver in the living room(1st floor)
Receier would then output to ceiling mounted in the bathroom(2nd floor)
Wall mounted volume control (not sure how this would connect)

I spoke with my electrician about the unpowered option & he is concerned that the line level audio from a device like an iPod would not be sufficient to make it to the receiver on the 1st floor. I am not sure of the distance but if it helps, the home is 1600 sq.ft. & the bathroom sits directly above the living room.

Is this a valid concern? What are my options for getting line level audio to the receiver on the 1st floor?

Thanks
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Kai

Kai

Full Audioholic
I've a friend who, when remodeling his home several years ago, had our local stereo shop install ipod docks, wiring and in ceiling speakers throughout his home...as well as some other gear. I do not know how much he paid but it is a sweet system. He can plug his ipod in anywhere in the house...he has nearly a dock in every room...and it plays throughout the house or in selective rooms.
 
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buurin

Audiophyte
Thats pretty much exactly my goal.

I only care about a couple rooms(bedroom, bathroom, kitchen) & I'd like to use a squeezebox touch as opposed to an Ipod - this will allow me to stream music from services like Pandora and my network hard drive.
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai
I spoke with my electrician about the unpowered option & he is concerned that the line level audio from a device like an iPod would not be sufficient to make it to the receiver on the 1st floor. I am not sure of the distance but if it helps, the home is 1600 sq.ft.
There won’t be any concerns about losing signal strength in a house that size. Besides, that’s what the receiver’s volume control is for. Just make sure you use cable with a good shield. With unbalanced cable runs, the shield is what makes or breaks noise rejection. Any installation-grade cable with a foil shield will do.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
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buurin

Audiophyte
I am not clear what the receivers volume control has to do with the strength of the input signal...

To be clear, the concern my electrician had was regarding wanting to connect a device like an iPod on the 2nd floor, to a receiver on the 1st floor(lets say 100 feet - even though its probably less) would not be possible.

Thanks
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai
I am not clear what the receivers volume control has to do with the strength of the input signal...
If there is some signal loss (read “strength”) due to the long run, you can simply turn up the receiver’s volume to compensate.

Kinda like when one CD or TV channel is not as loud as another...

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
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buurin

Audiophyte
I guess my misunderstanding came from my assumption that any loss over the long run included sound quality which could not be recovered.

It sounds like you're suggesting the loss is volume which the amplifier can compensate for. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it.
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DenzelParker

Audiophyte
Hi all:)
I thought built a Wall Mount Kitchen Faucets & looking for an audio(music) solution for the bathroom & kitchen primarily is a great idea.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
If you are going to allow for multiple docks then you have some issues to contend with which may or may not be necessary.

1. Do you want/need the ability to play from a single dock to multiple locations?

YES: You will need some sort of source selector/multi source multi location product.
NO: You don't necessarily need equipment run back to a single location.

2. Do you intend to have long runs of analog audio through walls?

YES: You should probably be using a balanced audio converter to deal with line noise.
NO: You can use more standard shielded audio cabling.

If I were to do this right, then $1,600 is very reasonable and would give you mutiple docks and distributed audio zones.

If I were to do this CHEAP and good, then I would be looking to put a dock or RCA connection point in each room and then run it to a small amplifier in that room and hide it (like the linen closet) then run it to a volume control and speakers. It makes a stand alone stereo zone and the labor impact would be extremely cheap for wiring.

For distributed audio done full on, you will have CAT-5 and/or shielded audio cable to each source location (assuming 3 here), you also have speaker wire run to each room - so you are looking at about 6 runs of cabling which are around 60-70 feet per run. Speakers need to get installed, wiring needs to be terminated, keypads/etc. need to be installed. It may take 2 full days to do this work and at professional rates thats 16 hours at about 70 bucks an hour, so about $1,100 in labor + materials.

If you go with 3 in-room solutions, then the entire setup and materials are less money overall and you could potentially be closer to one day of labor.

I personally just had my house WIRED for a lot of audio/video and it ran over $3,000. No hardware, just wiring.

Bottom line is that the labor involved in running wires is costly and time consuming. It's not a rip off, it is simply time consuming to do it.
 
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