Interesting article on Giz - Why we need audiophiles

j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
We have the Kids prefer MP3 here, so I thought I'd throw this one in this forum as well. I found it an interesting and somewhat unbiased read:

http://i.gizmodo.com/5213042/why-we-need-audiophiles

A few quotes:

The song ends, and after emerging from an opiate-like haze, I hear a hiss. And yes, while the record was playing, I heard a pop, a crackle or two. Isn't this as high-end an audiophile system as they come? Shouldn't the sound be of such purity so as to sustain life in lieu of water for days on end?

After hearing I'm a Bowie fan, Fremer drops into his near limitless stacks and spins a pressing of "Heroes" with part of the title track's chorus in German. I'm giggling with pleasure at the frankly obscene level of detail I hear (Ich! Ich werde König!), but of course, I'm hearing the pops and crackles that a 30+ year-old record is likely to have. Shouldn't a $350,000 stereo system be completely free of such impurities?

"It's like when you go to the symphony, and the old men are coughing—same thing," Fremer says. Necessary impurities. Reminders of being in the real world.

We play my solid 256kbps VBR MP3 of "Heroes" off my iPod; it sounds like ****. Free of pops and crackles, yes, but completely lifeless, flat in every way. This is the detail that matters: Audiophiles are basically synesthesiacs. They "see" music in three-dimensional visual space. You close your eyes in Fremer's chair, and you can perceive a detailed 3D matrix of sound, with each element occupying its own special space in the air. It's crazy and I've never experienced anything like it.

It is within this 3D space where the audiophile lives and operates, and spends all his money. Fremer himself is the first to admit that it would only take $3,000 to $5,000 to build a system that will be deeply satisfying to most music fans. On a scale of 1 to 100 completely of my own devising, let's put this system at around 85. Now, imagine that you've tasted 85, and you want to go higher; you want Bowie's cries of kissing by the wall to inhabit the most perfect point in your system's matrix, and Brian Ferry's back-up fly girls on "Avalon" to flank him just beautifully. That, friends, is where you might end up paying hundreds of thousands.
And thus began a long battle, and thankfully, it seems to have ended happily. Both with the advent of SACDs—which Fremer is a great fan of, proving that he's not hung up on nostalgia; it's all about sound resolution, maintaining all the peaks and valleys of recording—still a viable format among audio junkies, and the greater acceptance and continued life of vinyl, Fremer is a happy man these days. "I'm on top of the world right now. I set out to save vinyl, and we did it."
 
Ito

Ito

Full Audioholic
"It's like when you go to the symphony, and the old men are coughing—same thing," Fremer says. Necessary impurities. Reminders of being in the real world
That is such a terrible excuse...seriously?! I can say the same exact thing for low quality mp3's then...it reminds me that I am in the real world.
I don't know about all of you, but that old guy coughing would piss me off, and that's the same way I feel about the popping and cracking. XD
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
That is such a terrible excuse...seriously?! I can say the same exact thing for low quality mp3's then...it reminds me that I am in the real world.
I don't know about all of you, but that old guy coughing would piss me off, and that's the same way I feel about the popping and cracking. XD
I know what he is talking about, but at the same time, that old guy coughing isn't going to be there EVERY TIME I go to see a concert :D And if he is, he better watch out in the parking lot :eek:

Some of the best recordings I've heard have those "flaws" on there, and I do actually kind of appreciate the fact that I CAN hear them. Jazz at the Pawnshop is a good example, and Patricia Barber's Companion is another, where you can hear glasses clinking and people talking, but you can also hear Patricia doing some humming along while the guys are jamming and I LIKE that. On Diana Krall: Live in Paris you have the same thing - my friend said "You can hear her spit bubbles" LOL. I don't want anything removed.

So, I don't think it is an excuse so much as it is now part of the music. I used to hate the popping and cracking when I was recording my vinyl onto tape for the car, but listening back to those recordings, it reminded me that I made them. A friend is a DJ and he said he will intentionally slow down records by hand so that you know his mix CDs were done from vinyl (at least other DJs would, if he hadn't told me I wouldn't have noticed) and that the pops and cracks are also an indication that vinyl was used instead of digital.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I'm just about to give vinyl a go with a used record player that I got for $20. If I find that there is absolutely nothing in it for me I am going to disassemble it with my claw hammer and be a better man for it.

Regardless of what I find out about vinyl, I would still like to take a claw hammer to Fremer.:)
 
F

fast1

Audioholic
haha i have a feeling you will get to use the claw hammer.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I'm not so sure about that. Those pitch strobes can be mesmerizing.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Hey John, do you still listen to vinyl?
I have some vinyl, but I no longer have a turntable. I used to use my dad's way back when, to record onto tape; sort of like having the CD to burn MP3 to take with you :) Plus I could adjust levels and arrange songs on the tapes the way I like. Singles were only available on vinyl back then, so I have a fair number of them on vinyl. Sooner or later I will pick up a decent turntable again, since I still have the vinyl.
 
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Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
Poser ... :D

Yesterday I got the rest of what it takes to play records.
I'm suppose to do other stuff but I have a strong suspicion that the stereo is going to get hooked up first.
 
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Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
haha i have a feeling you will get to use the claw hammer.
Not a chance. :)

I'm going back to see the old guy today to get some Herb Alpert and Gilbert and Sullivan. I'm not saying the quality is through the roof or anything. Actually this recording of Strauss' Blue Danube Waltz by Andre Kostelanetz and His Orchestra is pretty much hiss and crackle free. I have noticed a very stange bass characteristic to the play back of some of these records. I don't really have the vocabulary to discuss it.

Bottom line is that I am diggin' it. :)
 
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