Integra DTR 4.6 vs Marantz SR 4001

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upgradeitis

Junior Audioholic
Which of these 2 receivers would you go with for 2 channel music sound quality? This is for a small apt. 2 channel setup with the Energy RC10 bookshelf speakers. I don't have the receiver yet and have narrowed it to these 2 and they are both around the same price range between $500-$600. I am going with an AVR instead of an integrated since I will probably go 5.1 in the future when I buy a house but never 7.1. HDMI etc. not important just 2 channel music reproduction. I've owned Marantz in the past and like the SQ but I had a problem with the last Marantz receiver I bought(SR 5300) It had a bad decoder apparently because whenever I would switch to Dolby Digital or DTS it would make a horrible static through my speakers. My dealer replaced it with another but it did the same thing. The third one finally worked but I was so skeptical that something else would happen that I ended up selling it. I'm not a Denon or Yamaha fan. The closest Integra dealer to me is about 2 hours away but I have spoken with him over the phone and he assures me Integra is top notch for 2 channel SQ. Please let me know what you guys would go with between these 2 receivers keeping in mind that music is my main priority.
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Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Marantz has a better reputation for sound than Onkyo's Integra line, but it probably won't make much of a difference. Note that Denon and Marantz are built by the same company with similar standards and parts.;)

In you case you may want to look at a no frills NAD 5.1 receiver. Such a receiver as this would be great for you needs I trust. It has preouts for all channels and NAD has a great reputation for it's flexible amplifiers making them in general a better receiver for music. NAD's direction is music reproduction more than movies.

http://nadelectronics.com/products/av-receivers/T743-A/V-Receiver

This receiver is less expensive than your budget, but I feel it would better fit you needs.

Lastly, try not to listen to most dealers ramblings. They want you to buy the stuff they carry in their store. They would tell you Sony is "top notch" for stereo if it was all they had. Truth is, they don't know and in most cases there is no real top notch, it is very subjective as to what is top notch. Is Integra better than Sony?, more than likely. For the dealer to just tell you it is top notch is bogus, you must listen and see for yourself.

Lets say you have some speakers that are 4 ohms nominal (many higher end speakers have similar ratings) and you are using the Integra, it will struggle with higher volumes and low frequencies, even 8 ohm nominal speakers can get as low and lower than 4 ohms at particular frequencies. The Integra and Marantz are not 4 ohm stable from what I have read, but the NAD is definitely stable at 4 ohms, and doesn't do bad with 2 ohms.

I hope this is enough information to get you started on a search for your next receiver, good luck.:)
 
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upgradeitis

Junior Audioholic
Funny you should mention the NAD T743. I have also owned that receiver recently and was unhappy with the musical reproduction. This was disappointing because I had read so much about NAD's musicality. The NAD dealer in my area was building a new site and was in a temporary tiny space and had no way for me to demo so I he had to order it for me and I had to buy it unheard. I was running it with Boston Acoustics VRM 50 bookshelf speakers. Who knows, maybe the Boston & NAD are just not a good combination or maybe the 743 is not as good as their higher end models. The sound was "clean" but it sounded "clinical" to me. It did not have that open, airy, sound that I like. For some reason, the Marantz SR7200 seems to be the only receiver that I've owned that had that airy and involving sound that I like. Since I sold it nothing has come close. Maybe I should give Marantz another shot. The terrible experience I had with the 5300 has me leary though.
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
Marantz has a better reputation for sound than Onkyo's Integra line, but it probably won't make much of a difference. Note that Denon and Marantz are built by the same company with similar standards and parts.;)
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I agree with Seth=L particularly when it comes to his take on NAD and what some A/V dealers motivations are for recommending a product. Personally, I refuse to stock anything but wire & remotes and keep strong ties to the reps in my area so that I can always recommend the right product for my client’s application and not feel forced to sell through inventory. Most people don’t mind waiting an extra day or two as long as they are getting the best product for their needs.

I must beg to differ on the Marantz and Denon sharing parts statement. Are they owned by the same company? Yes. D&M Holdings just recently bought Marantz. D&M also owns Boston Acoustics. Marantz has a completely different set of engineers designing their product than the Denon line and are not essentially the same thing with the same parts. While this may or may not stay the same into the future, D&M Holdings is decidedly treating the two companies as separate with Marantz typically commanding a higher price point (to an extent) if you were to match feature to feature particularly on the video processing end of things. If there is evidence of significant parts sharing, please provide a link as I would be extremely eager to learn about such happenings.

Durability wise, I would highly recommend the Marantz product, however I can understand your balk because of your past experience. If it’s any comfort, Marantz carries a three year warranty where as most receiver brands are going to give you two years.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I was guessing, I should learn to not do that. (beating my head with a mallet):D

I wonder would would have caused the NAD to sound so poorly.:confused:

Maybe Outlaw would be an alternative.:)
 
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upgradeitis

Junior Audioholic
I'm not sure why the NAD sounded that way. I was very surprised. I'm not sure what direction I should go at this point.
 
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upgradeitis

Junior Audioholic
I was using Boston Acoustics VRM50 bookshelf speakers
 
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mattburk

Audioholic Intern
D&M they do not use the same parts, completly different sound. Go Marantz
 
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upgradeitis

Junior Audioholic
Thanks mattburk. I am leaning towards Marantz. Anybody else have any comments or suggestions?
 
anamorphic96

anamorphic96

Audioholic General
When the 5300 was out there was a bad batch of DSP chips that casued the issues you had with your Marantz. I had a 5300 with the same issue. Dont judge Marantz on this one problem. It happens from time to time with any company. Besides Cirrus Logic the maker of the DSP chips was the one to blame.

In this case I would go with the Marantz. They make one of the best receivers on the market along with Denon, Yamaha, Rotel, and NAD.
 
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upgradeitis

Junior Audioholic
anamorphic 96, thanks for your insight. That does make me feel a little better about going back to a familiar brand. It was just something intriguing about Integra.
 
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up_for_life

Audiophyte
any new info?

i was looking at this receiver and was wandering if there was any new info on its sound?

and to add a comment on the subject about the NAD.

im not sure anymore, but wasnt the NAD brand part of BSR? or ADC?

i had a BSR 3000 EQ back in the day, this thing was very nice and made even my put together hodge podge speakers sound very good.


anyway, any info on the 4.6 integra?
 
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Superfly

Audioholic Intern
new info>>not sure what you mean? this post goes back to 2007
 
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up_for_life

Audiophyte
sense this is 2011, and there was no real answer for the OP`s question on the integra brand and really no other info on the integra anywhere else, i was trying to see how these receivers are performing and holding up.
after 4 years from the original question was asked on this forum, you would think there would be some info on these receivers.

even though the integra brand has been around now for a few years, theres no real personal info on the net about them.
i dont want to buy something that`ll crap out in a couple of months.


but it really doesnt matter now anyway, i`ve moved in another direction already.

im looking at a old school 80`s yamaha (80wpc x 4) or kenwood (80wpc x 4) to pair up with my old school 3 way 120w rms technics and what ever i can find for the surround`s.
i decided to go with a yamaha or denon for the theater set-up in the living room.
 
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