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Turf28

Enthusiast
I have seen many posts and articles around the best/better in wall speakers for home theater applications. However, I was curious to know which brands or model numbers may suit my application the best.

I am currently building a home theater approx 12ft wide X 17ft Long, I will be watching mainly movies and sporting events on the 92in screen. I would like to power these speakers with an amp, instead of doing the pre-amp split thing...

I really wanted to try and keep the budget for a 7.1 speaker setup to a max of about $2800 for just the speakers? Are there any quality manufactures that will package a set of 7.1 speakers for around that price?? Also is it a must to get backed speakers, and are there any options in my price range, that offer a back?

Any advice is appreciated, I suppose if the $2800 is not going to get me a good performing in wall unit I can always choose a traditional design. I am just a bit worried that the speakers may sound poor at that price range?

Thanks
Mark
 
nova

nova

Full Audioholic
Hmmm,... my opinion,.. $2800 for a 7.1 good quality in-wall speaker system will be a bit of a stretch. Not saying you could not do a 7.1 in-wall for about $2800 but, I'd think a more realistic number would be $5000 ish.
Lots of companies market in-wall/in-ceiling, but very few do it well.
For that reason, I'd recommend:
Triad
Snell
Rbh Sound
James Loudspeakers

But that's just me,... many people are happy with Niles, Speakercraft, Infinity, Polk, Klipsch etc. Only way to know for sure is to audition, audition, audition :D
 
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mvp2005fan

Audioholic Intern
what is your thought on them being backed??
IMHO, the best in-wall speakers have a sealed back box--which is part of the increased cost of high quality in-walls.

That said, I concur that to really get quality in-walls will, unfortunately, run you more than $2,800 for a complete 7.1 system.

Would you possibly consider wiring for 7.1, but only installing fewer, but higher quality in-walls (say 5.1), with the option of adding the 2 rears later? This might help you meet your current budget, allow you to purchase better quality speakers, and still be open for the future.

FWIW, 2 of my surround speakers are Def Tech UIW RSS II's, which sound really quite good, and are more than adequate for surrounds.

Good luck to you!
 
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AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
For Fronts:
http://www.smarthome.com/97250711/SpeakerCraft-AIM-LCR-1-5-1-4-Speaker-with-Pivoting-Woofers-and-Tweeter-Each-ASM84611/p.aspx
OR
http://www.smarthome.com/97250L3/SpeakerCraft-NEAT-LCR-Three-Front-Channel-In-Wall-Speaker-Each-ASM64431/p.aspx

For Side Surrounds:
SpeakerCraft AIM Cinema Dipole One

For Rear Surrounds:
http://www.smarthome.com/97250L3/SpeakerCraft-NEAT-LCR-Three-Front-Channel-In-Wall-Speaker-Each-ASM64431/p.aspx

Sub:
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-10nsd.cfm

One thing you need watch out for, is that many in-wall LCRs when used for center horizontally won’t fit into a standard 16” OC stud-bay.

For an in-room setup: you could purchase an Ascend Acoustics CMT-340/CMT-340C/HTM-200 combo w/stands ($1200 shipped) with an SVS PB12-NSD ($600) and add a set of Axiom QS8s for side-surrounds ($540)
 
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mperfct

mperfct

Audioholic Samurai
Your room is fairly close in size to mine. I couldn't justify the extra expense of going 7.1 instead of 5.1. I'd spend the money on the quality of speaker, vs. quantity. Especially when dealing with in-walls.

If you do go 5.1, make sure you wire for the back two because you know when funds are available, you'll want to put the other two back there when extra funds are available.

If you are hardcore 7.1, and think it's the best thing ever, I'd still recommend RBH or Triad. I think those two come up as being some of the best out there.
 
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Turf28

Enthusiast
Your room is fairly close in size to mine. I couldn't justify the extra expense of going 7.1 instead of 5.1. I'd spend the money on the quality of speaker, vs. quantity. Especially when dealing with in-walls.

If you do go 5.1, make sure you wire for the back two because you know when funds are available, you'll want to put the other two back there when extra funds are available.

If you are hardcore 7.1, and think it's the best thing ever, I'd still recommend RBH or Triad. I think those two come up as being some of the best out there.
Thanks for the assistance and guidance, I found some polk in-wall speakers which may fit my budget that got some better reviews?? They are the polk in wall series, but I am not sure how they sound as I have not heard them anywhere, has anyone heard these before, or where i may be able to hear them.

Mark
 
mperfct

mperfct

Audioholic Samurai
Thanks for the assistance and guidance, I found some polk in-wall speakers which may fit my budget that got some better reviews?? They are the polk in wall series, but I am not sure how they sound as I have not heard them anywhere, has anyone heard these before, or where i may be able to hear them.

Mark
I didn't listen to Polk when auditioned speakers. I would just do a search for dealers from their website and go from there. For $2800 you should check out the Atlantic Technology THX-certified speakers too. They were a strong 2nd choice for me.

http://www.atlantictechnology.com/default.asp?IsDev=False&NodeId=23
 
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AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Which specific models of Polk are you refering to. I'd only consider the TSi series or better for the fronts on your budget, but you could use the RC series for the surrounds.
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
In-wall suggestions.....

As a custom integrator & theatre designer a lot of my speaker business is focused around in-wall & in-ceiling speakers. & by a lot I mean 90% of it.

The sway away from traditional box speakers has made me research & actually use a great great many different brands and models. They are an incredibly tough thing to do right. Conventional logic says to box the in-wall. This feature does not, by any means, always yield the "best" results. Nor does not having a back deliver "worse" results.

Most companies, becasue of manufacturing costs, take the same drivers used in their boxed pieces and put them into backless baffles with a cross over & call them voice matched "in-wall" speakers. Well, that doesn't usually work out to be so hot. A driver designed to work in a sealed enclosure put into a much bigger enclosure (a wall cavity) will not sound right, particularly in the mids & bass. But, if it's designed for being put into the wall, then you can achieve great sound.

I'm a dealer of (to list some popular in-walls mentioned on forums): RBH, Klipsch THX ULTRA2, Atlantic Technology. I have used in either samples from the company direct, bought for one time use only, or a client already had: Triad (several models), James, Sonance, Polk. & dozens of others.

All of those brands have backed models available. None of them are even remotely close to what BG offers. The exception being the Klipsch @ $1K a piece which is way way out of the OPs price range. Those are very good for large rooms. So are the BG, but Klipsch, for movies, would be a 2nd place finisher in my opinion. Don't get me started on my experience with Triad :(

BG inwalls are open backed, but are designed that way on purpose. Call their tech support & ask them about it. They're incredibly nice & will explain why open back is the way to go. BG makes a speaker: PD-6LCRi. Retails @ $500 each. It sounds, no kidding you, as good as their $1600 model R-320. It's that good. We use it all the time! I'm a Sunfire dealer & I prefer it to the Sunfire Trio in-wall that goes for $1100 (and yes, that one's back boxed). Even @ equal money, the BG is better. It just sounds incredible. One of the original founders of KEF & I had a conversation over the phone a few months ago & he said he felt that BG was the best architectural speaker on the market, hands down (even mentioned the PD-6LCRi as the unknown hero of the brand). I agree.

Final note on backed in-walls. They are great if you're worried about sound bleeding into other rooms. Other than that.... BG is the what my company does.

Want a killer system?

3 BG PD-6LCRi in-wall (fronts) @ $500 each = $1500
2 pair BG RT-6CJ in-ceiling (rears) @ $300 pair = $600
Total = $2100

Leaves $700 for a sub 7 that's if you buy @ MSRP. get a little deal on the speakers & spring for a nice sub. You've got something extremely nice for $2800. Best performance in the industry if you ask me.

Power these with a $550 Marantz. The fronts have 2 6" Kevlar woofers each. In your sized room it will be awesome!

A word of advice... get an acoustically transparent screen & put the speakers behind it. It's more expensive, sure, but the overal effect & presentation is really cool.
 
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Turf28

Enthusiast
Which specific models of Polk are you refering to. I'd only consider the TSi series or better for the fronts on your budget, but you could use the RC series for the surrounds.
I was looking at the LCI series for the fronts as well as the LCI-C for the center, and possibly the RS for the surronds, however I noticed that the LCI is 4ohms and the RS is 8ohms, does this matter??? May be a stupid questions but i am somwhat new to this...
 
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Turf28

Enthusiast
As a custom integrator & theatre designer a lot of my speaker business is focused around in-wall & in-ceiling speakers. & by a lot I mean 90% of it.

The sway away from traditional box speakers has made me research & actually use a great great many different brands and models. They are an incredibly tough thing to do right. Conventional logic says to box the in-wall. This feature does not, by any means, always yield the "best" results. Nor does not having a back deliver "worse" results.

Most companies, becasue of manufacturing costs, take the same drivers used in their boxed pieces and put them into backless baffles with a cross over & call them voice matched "in-wall" speakers. Well, that doesn't usually work out to be so hot. A driver designed to work in a sealed enclosure put into a much bigger enclosure (a wall cavity) will not sound right, particularly in the mids & bass. But, if it's designed for being put into the wall, then you can achieve great sound.

I'm a dealer of (to list some popular in-walls mentioned on forums): RBH, Klipsch THX ULTRA2, Atlantic Technology. I have used in either samples from the company direct, bought for one time use only, or a client already had: Triad (several models), James, Sonance, Polk. & dozens of others.

All of those brands have backed models available. None of them are even remotely close to what BG offers. The exception being the Klipsch @ $1K a piece which is way way out of the OPs price range. Those are very good for large rooms. So are the BG, but Klipsch, for movies, would be a 2nd place finisher in my opinion. Don't get me started on my experience with Triad :(

BG inwalls are open backed, but are designed that way on purpose. Call their tech support & ask them about it. They're incredibly nice & will explain why open back is the way to go. BG makes a speaker: PD-6LCRi. Retails @ $500 each. It sounds, no kidding you, as good as their $1600 model R-320. It's that good. We use it all the time! I'm a Sunfire dealer & I prefer it to the Sunfire Trio in-wall that goes for $1100 (and yes, that one's back boxed). Even @ equal money, the BG is better. It just sounds incredible. One of the original founders of KEF & I had a conversation over the phone a few months ago & he said he felt that BG was the best architectural speaker on the market, hands down (even mentioned the PD-6LCRi as the unknown hero of the brand). I agree.

Final note on backed in-walls. They are great if you're worried about sound bleeding into other rooms. Other than that.... BG is the what my company does.

Want a killer system?

3 BG PD-6LCRi in-wall (fronts) @ $500 each = $1500
2 pair BG RT-6CJ in-ceiling (rears) @ $300 pair = $600
Total = $2100

Leaves $700 for a sub 7 that's if you buy @ MSRP. get a little deal on the speakers & spring for a nice sub. You've got something extremely nice for $2800. Best performance in the industry if you ask me.

Power these with a $550 Marantz. The fronts have 2 6" Kevlar woofers each. In your sized room it will be awesome!

A word of advice... get an acoustically transparent screen & put the speakers behind it. It's more expensive, sure, but the overal effect & presentation is really cool.
Thanks for the info, i appreciate the help, was just what i was looking for...
 
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Turf28

Enthusiast
Thanks for the info, i appreciate the help, was just what i was looking for...
What would you suggest if instead of ceiling mounting the surronds put them on a wall, what BG speaker is good for this application. I would like if possible to stick with a square design, even if it costs a little more??

Thanks
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
What would you suggest if instead of ceiling mounting the surronds put them on a wall, what BG speaker is good for this application. I would like if possible to stick with a square design, even if it costs a little more??

Thanks
The RT-6 in-wall is $400 per pair

The PD-6i in-wall is $600 per pair

Either would be fine for use as your surrounds. The PD-6i is the same speaker as the PD-6LCRi fronts I recommended (except it uses one 6" woofer, not two) & would be the idealy voiced producd. Either would be fine. Your best "value" would be to do the two $400 pair & use the $400 difference saved towards upgrading your sub.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
I was looking at the LCI series for the fronts as well as the LCI-C for the center, and possibly the RS for the surronds, however I noticed that the LCI is 4ohms and the RS is 8ohms, does this matter??? May be a stupid questions but i am somwhat new to this...
Lower impedance speakers provide a heavier load for the power unit to drive. This can be detrimental to the unit in the form of excessive heat which is caused by driving the unit at loud levels in a large space. Since your room is smaller, the volume will not need to be cranked up to obtain good SPLs. Therefore, a good mid-level receiver may be adequate to drive the 4 ohm LCs. Also, you can use different impedance speakers in the system.
 
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johnrmarty

Audiophyte
There are a ton of different options for speaker systems out there...I have never heard of BG, but I am sure they are great :) We have been carrying Sonance in walls for many years as well as Definitive Technology, Paradigm, and Kef. Definitive Tech recently came out with the UIWRLS III that is fully enclosed and sounds great. Sonance makes some In wall speakers that are fully enclosed as well namely the LCR1, but it is quite a bit more expensive. I am a big fan of enclosed in wall speakers because in my opinion the enclosure is everything. This same theory goes for any bookshelf and tower on the market. There is a continuing trend with the in-wall industry to enclose more speakers and give varying selections of enclosures to add to existing speakers.
a couple years ago Definitive Tech had no enclosed speakers and now they have 7 or 8. Also Sonance just came out with the LCR1 and LCR2 ans well as 4 more enclosures that fit with their in-wall line.

Here is my system selection for you at full retail...you can get these cheaper :)

Definitive Tech UIWRLSIII front left $599
Definitive Tech UIWRLSIII front Right $599
Definitive Tech UIWRLSIII Center Channel $599
Definitive Tech UIW55 in wall rear spkrs $349
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System with no sub $2150

This leaves you $650 for a sub. Also if you wanted to do an in wall sub from Definitive as well the IWSUB10/10 with the
 
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johnrmarty

Audiophyte
woops I accidentally posted before I finished...

The IWSUB10/10 is awesome...I know it is listed at $850 retail, but we have one that is open box for roughly have price...This leaves you needing to amplify the in wall sub with the SubAmp 600 which we have as an open box as well for about half price at around $350...

The whole system with the inwall sub, the 600 watt amp and the 5 speaker surround would run you only about $150 over budget.

The other thing you can do is get a sub from an independent like HSU or SVS which are well respected at having a sub that give you amazing bang for the buck. I hear great things on AVS forum about them.
 

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