In other news (oh gawd!)

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Class, does anyone know what Republicans stand for?

Me! Me! Me!

Dude, what do you have?

capitalism
limited gov't
lower taxes
less programs, not more
greater individual autonomy
large military to defend liberty
God


[special guest Mitch McConnell]
You can't say that out loud, kid.


(Not a perfect example but do find the politician replying with a plastic smile cringe-inducing.)
 
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I guess according to Tim Pool they weren't trespassing. Shows you what I know...:confused:
 
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NEW YORK (AP) — Fox News national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin couldn’t hold back when following a retired U.S. Army colonel on the air recently, saying she barely had time to correct all of his “distortions.”

She tried, though. And it wasn’t for the first time or the last time.

Griffin, who has reported for Fox News Channel since 1996, has attracted attention over the past two weeks as she has publicly corrected or contradicted several Fox analysts and hosts on the air about the crisis in Ukraine. When Tucker Carlson suggested this week that some reporters are acting as flacks for the Pentagon, some interpreted that as a criticism of his colleague.

Meanwhile, former Fox host Bill O’Reilly singled Griffin out as a gutsy reporter unafraid to challenge others.

Griffin says her efforts are consistent with what she’s always tried to do for 25 years, both on the air and behind the scenes at Fox News.

“I think you want your experts, in today’s media environment, to be passionate about what they know and what they feel about the facts,” said Steve Krakauer, author of The Fourth Watch, a media newsletter with a conservative viewpoint. “I want them to be in the story.”
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-middle-east-lifestyle-religion-europe-64542e89118ff81183f3f3cf9cfac5bb
Griffin knows her beat as much as anyone in journalism and her real-time fact-checks are a valuable public service, as long as she doesn’t get caught in the muck of partisan debating, he said on Thursday.

Griffin has pushed back on comments made by Sean Hannity, Steve Doocy, Harris Faulkner and Greg Gutfeld during appearances on their own shows. After Hannity criticized President Joe Biden on Ukraine policy, Griffin noted that every president since the fall of the Soviet Union has made mistakes there. Doocy argued on “Fox & Friends” that sanctions haven’t worked against Russia; Griffin said it was too soon to say that. When Faulkner similarly questioned whether sanctions were a sufficient step, Griffin said that sending troops to the area would have given Putin an excuse to invade. She said it was “not some wag-the-dog situation” when Gutfeld suggested on “The Five” that the Ukraine crisis had been manufactured.

This past Sunday, she took on a retired U.S. Army brigadier general, Don Bolduc, after he said that it “boggles my mind” that the United States hadn’t already gone “all in” on Ukraine. Griffin said Bolduc was a politician, not a student of history.

“To suggest that the U.S. would put indirect fire or special operations or CIA on the ground to give Putin any sort of excuse to broaden this conflict is extremely dangerous talk at a time like this,” Griffin said.

Earlier that day, she was interviewed by Trey Gowdy after an appearance by retired U.S. Army Col. Doug Macgregor, who urged the United States to stay out of Ukraine and not ship it any weapons. He said the Russians should be allowed to annex the portion of Ukraine they are most interested in.

When Griffin followed him, she said she needed to correct some of what Macgregor had said, “and I’m not sure 10 minutes is enough time because there are so many distortions.” She said that Macgregor sounded like an apologist for Putin. “That kind of projection of withdrawal and weakness is what made Putin think he could move into a sovereign country,” she said.

Macgregor, in a subsequent radio appearance, criticized Griffin for offering a “standard neo-con narrative” of drawing comparison to 1930s appeasement of Adolf Hitler. He called it a “tired trope” that had nothing to do with the people and events of today.

Two days after his appearance on Gowdy’s show, Macgregor was brought on as lead guest by Tucker Carlson in prime time. Carlson’s show is usually the most-watched program on Fox.

“Unlike so many of the so-called reporters you see on television, he is not acting secretly as a flack for (Defense Secretary) Lloyd Austin at the Pentagon,” Carlson said in his introduction. “No, Doug Macgregor is an honest man.”

Was that a shot at Griffin? Carlson did not specify what reporters he was referring to, and Fox News did not offer a clarification. He hasn’t been afraid to take on colleagues in the past; Carlson and Shepard Smith had a memorable tiff before Smith left the network in 2019.

Griffin also didn’t respond to a message seeking comment.

Griffin, who is based at the Pentagon and had stints in Moscow and Jerusalem for Fox, has a reputation for being knowledgeable and a straight-shooter, said David Lapan, a former Pentagon spokesman who dealt with her professionally in several national security capacities.

Much of her work reporting for her employer is done behind the scenes, Lapan said. He believes her recent on-the-air correctives indicate how important she considers the issues involved.

“I hope there are no reprisals because she’s doing the right thing,” Lapan said. “The stakes are too high.”

Fox News Media, in a statement, said that “we are incredibly proud of Jennifer Griffin and her stellar reporting as well as all of our journalists and talent covering this story across our platforms.”

O’Reilly, on his web show, praised Griffin and said that “propagandists” on television news aren’t challenged often enough, according to the Wrap.

Fox would not make Griffin available for an interview. She appeared on Fox’s “Media Buzz” on Sunday, where she told host Howard Kurtz that she doesn’t believe her role at Fox News has changed.

“I’m here to fact-check facts, because I report on facts,” she said. “My job is to try and figure out the truth as best as I know it. I share that information internally, so out network can be more accurate. That’s what I’ve always done.”
 
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I think this gets back to Trump and the alt-right vote, the disenfranchisedforareason people. The first part of the clip showing what Fuentes said and MTG stepping on stage right after. Hopefully her days are numbered.
 
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When you have 7.5% inflation rate and gas at $4+ per gl, it begs why would you need to attend such an event? 2022/24 should be pretty easy victories. Not that there's many like MTG, but I gets back to the broader problem of these Republican talking heads on tv.
 
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I thought Vaush did a good job of summing up conservative comedy: a lot of failed comedians who have now entered the political sphere and use 'plausible deniability' when cornered based on having been comedians. Gutfeld strikes me as cuddly and light hearted, but I've never thought of him as terribly funny. He's pushing into the realm more than others, but conservatives as a whole not much gain there. For me it was still he's this opinion host. The lack of investigative journalism tied with comedy to make this salient point. I still think the left do it better. One of the factors might be because some of conservative media is to throw as much sh-t at the wall, they leave themselves open to a readymade supply for left media to use. There's this supposed need for more journalism because, I assume, the left have a majority of the media, but then turn around and say use Twitter as a source. Meaning there's no real desire for more journalism on the right LOL. Joe Rogan's appeal and 'getting all sides heard' when he's channeling right wing guests etc. There's also MTG and another Republican politician supposedly attending a white nationalist conference because of the desperation to find "young" conservatives. Another would be our education system and the sticky dilemma between trying to create a favorable conservative storyline in our history books and telling an objective US history which might not lead to a favorable conservative conclusion. Think I'd go in the realm of teaching capitalism, people don't donate unless they've had theirs first, and why with capitalism people donate more. Plus capitalism as expression of freedom- the pop stars and gold chains, the bling, the art of excess etc. Republicans tend to be apologists for capitalism IMO. Think I'd call it capitalism w/ socialism lite (safeguards etc). I though Ayn Rand's "pyramid" explanation was the best for capitalism. Equal opportunity but not equal outcome because some are just more talented/driven then others. I don't see it ever really working though. Some people just need help, pay it forward, and you can't leave people out on the street. Then there's the "fair" tax policy on the surface but really behind closed doors it's deep tax cuts for the top because honestly they do stimulate the economy more than anyone else. That will likely never sell with the young.
 
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We've touched on comedy before and it's definitely true the conservative side of the spectrum has been outnumbered and they were "stuck in the mud" before. The world of performance arts has always tacked to the left so there is that. Comedy as "we knew it" is dying anyway, being killed by political correctness, woke culture, freedom of expression only for things they agree with, etc. If even left wing comedians cannot perform on college campus without offending someone, its doomed. Hollywood rarely produces good comedies anymore for the same reasons. Their new production codes will make it even less likely. Try to remake Animal House, Caddyshack, Blazing Saddles, Slap Shot, Airplane, 48 hrs, any Monty Python, the list is endless. TV sitcoms? Try remaking MASH or even Seinfeld.

Very good comedy punches up or at least across and must be based on truth. It makes fun of the elites or ruling class, hypocrisy, and that's why the masses enjoyed it. Comedians don't punch up because they treat the elites like a protected class. Like Hollywood, comedy is supposed to entertain and distract them from their daily lives in return for money. Most people will not pay money to be lectured or propagandized, especially from the likes of the crowd at the Oscars. They want good laughs, listen to good dialogue, follow good storylines, and see stuff blowup from multiple camera angles.
 
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Prager once tried to claim that placing your hand on the Bible was an absolute must for swearing-in for people voted into office. I believe by law they don't have to.
Apparently, he doesn't see the irony in using a Bible to swear in government officials.
 
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We've touched on comedy before and it's definitely true the conservative side of the spectrum has been outnumbered and they were "stuck in the mud" before. The world of performance arts has always tacked to the left so there is that. Comedy as "we knew it" is dying anyway, being killed by political correctness, woke culture, freedom of expression only for things they agree with, etc. If even left wing comedians cannot perform on college campus without offending someone, its doomed. Hollywood rarely produces good comedies anymore for the same reasons. Their new production codes will make it even less likely. Try to remake Animal House, Caddyshack, Blazing Saddles, Slap Shot, Airplane, 48 hrs, any Monty Python, the list is endless. TV sitcoms? Try remaking MASH or even Seinfeld.

Very good comedy punches up or at least across and must be based on truth. It makes fun of the elites or ruling class, hypocrisy, and that's why the masses enjoyed it. Comedians don't punch up because they treat the elites like a protected class. Like Hollywood, comedy is supposed to entertain and distract them from their daily lives in return for money. Most people will not pay money to be lectured or propagandized, especially from the likes of the crowd at the Oscars. They want good laughs, listen to good dialogue, follow good storylines, and see stuff blowup from multiple camera angles.
I watched a video last night by Bill Maher, called 'Explaining Jokes To Idiots', which he made after the Grammy Awards slap.

Comedy died in 2020 and nobody tried to stop it.
 
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I watched a video last night by Bill Maher, called 'Explaining Jokes To Idiots', which he made after the Grammy Awards slap.

Comedy died in 2020 and nobody tried to stop it.
Some More News does a pretty darn good job (ie better than conservatives). Now This News with the hypocrisy mashups on Fox News.
 
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Some More News does a pretty darn good job (ie better than conservatives). Now This News with the hypocrisy mashups on Fox News.
Comedy is like any art, it's subjective or down to taste. Some people may think SMN or NTN are better that than Gutfeld but others don't. There is good conservative content out there but it sometimes gets censured. Look at the bablyonbee being censured by Twitter for satire. When you see things like that, you have to wonder how much good comedy we don't see or hear because comedians are self censuring per Maher's point.

Lot's of my Repub and Democrat friends watch Gutfeld and constantly send me clips. It gets ratings and pretty much beats it's comedy competition in its time slot. Johnny Carson would roll over in his grave. It does this without the attention of the establishment media too, as in, they never give free coverage to Gutfeld in their morning wraps of the late night comedy shows. Imagine if the media just neutrally covered what's funny without being partisan. More people would laugh and maybe the world would be a better place.

 
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Smart dude. Breaks down conservative comedy with a couple examples (Gutfeld etc) in the beginning. Then he later goes into cruelty (not that I'm a brimming example) and how that plays into their anti-joke LOL. (See Trump.)
 
SithZedi

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Very talented and clever indeed but just another example of partisan comedy. Wouldn't it be funny if he focused his talent and did a skit on the intolerance of college campuses and how students are behaving like Cultural Revolutionists in Mao's China?

Interesting how he goes out of his way to throw shade at Dennis Miller whose style obviously influenced his own as well as Bill Maher at the end for not towing the partisan line. But again that's subjective.
 
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Wouldn't it be funny appropriate if he conservatives focused his their talent and did a skit on the intolerance of college campuses and how students are behaving like Cultural Revolutionists in Mao's China?
 
MaxInValrico

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Very talented and clever indeed but just another example of partisan comedy. Wouldn't it be funny if he focused his talent and did a skit on the intolerance of college campuses and how students are behaving like Cultural Revolutionists in Mao's China?
Why ?
Interesting how he goes out of his way to throw shade at Dennis Miller whose style obviously influenced his own as well as Bill Maher at the end for not towing the partisan line. But again that's subjective.
Both Dennis Miller and Bill Who? aren't important and haven't been funny for 30 years.
 
MaxInValrico

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Wouldn't it be funny appropriate if he conservatives focused his their talent and did a skit on the intolerance of college campuses and how students are behaving like Cultural Revolutionists in Mao's China?
They'd actually have to go to college then. Hmmmm.
 
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