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CrazyCollector

Enthusiast
I'm scared to make a purchase at the moment. I just got a 65 Inch DLP HDTV 1080p, and a PS3 (60 GB). I'm wanting to invest in a surround sound system but I'm afraid I don't know exactly how everything works and I don't want to make bad decision that will cost me possible thousands of dollars. I'm mainly looking to play games through my playstation 3 and watch blu-ray movies through my playstation 3 in surround sound. Are there any suggestions out there. Money really isn't the concern I just want something compatibile and good quality future investment????

PLMK (Please Let Me Know)

THANKS
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
If you could, please give us a little background:
  • What is the layout of the room?
  • What will the system be mostly used for (movies, games, TV)?
  • What's your budget?
  • Do we have a major WAF to deal with?
  • Will you want to use the system for 2-channel music, also?
  • Do you want a system that is modest with room to grow or "the complete package"?

I know you said you want something to watch movies and play PS3, but one thing always leads to another. By starting off right from the beginning you'll have plenty of room for expansion and be able to feed the dreaded "upgraditis". By telling us a little about the room (seating arrangement, room dimensions, wall locations, etc) we can help you decide how to place your surround speakers and what types may work best. We'll also be able to help you determine if 5.1 or 6.1 or 7.1 will work for you. The all important budget will help us set you up with the important items first. But don't worry, you can acheive a GREAT sounding system on tight budget. If you want to listen to 2-channel music we may suggest a good set of towers or bookshelves for the main two speakers if they fit your other requirements.

MOST IMPORTANT: Do we have to deal with a major WAF or "wife acceptance factor"? Sometimes they can demand that all items are small, hidden or at the least attractively finished woods. These things can add to a budget and sometimes complicate speaker placement.
 
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CrazyCollector

Enthusiast
I will have to get the room measurements when I get off work. The system will be mainly used from my ps3 doing games and blu-ray movies other than that I have an HD Reciever from DirecTV. I am looking to get whatever I need for the best possible sound. There is no wife factor but I to don't have room for hugh 5 Foot speakers. No budget when it comes to quality!!!!
 
Tom Andry

Tom Andry

Speaker of the House
The first thing I'd do is go to our home page and start to read articles under AV University and What to Buy. This should give you some basic knowledge. Keep up with the forums and don't be afraid to ask questions.

You're going to get a lot of advice so let me be the first to say (and you'll hear this a lot) "let your ears decide." There are plenty of great speakers out there, but only you will know if they are right for you or not. That may mean driving around to different shops (maybe even out of town) or (in the case of Internet direct companies) finding an owner in your area (most ID companies will help with this) and going over with a 6-pack for payment for a few hours of listening. It will be overwhelming at first but believe me, it really isn't all that hard. With a little work on your part and some helpful nudges from the helpful guys/gals (do we have any gals around here any more?:D ) on the forums, you'll make a fine purchase.

But I have to laugh when you say "money is no object for quality" because, believe me, you can SPEND some money on speakers. :eek:
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Yes, you should set a budget. Unless you want us to recommend a speaker system that costs a few hundred thousand dollars.;)
 
zhimbo

zhimbo

Audioholic General
It is all bewildering at first (and not only at first). I'm still learning and researching things myself.

Tom Andry's links above are of course good, and I also found the articles at Axiom Audio's website to be very helpful at getting my bearings - not too technical, nice "bite-size" chunks, pretty down-to-Earth and not just all about how great their products are (although there is a bit of that, too, of course).
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I will have to get the room measurements when I get off work. The system will be mainly used from my ps3 doing games and blu-ray movies other than that I have an HD Reciever from DirecTV. I am looking to get whatever I need for the best possible sound. There is no wife factor but I to don't have room for hugh 5 Foot speakers. No budget when it comes to quality!!!!
Well, you have the TV all set:D And the playstation for your video and movies, unless you want a movie that is only on HD-DVD:p
The minimum you will be looking for are a 5.1 audio setup, a receiver most likely to drive the speakers and processes the audio. With the new HD format comes the new audio coding that may only be passed through the HDMI 1.3 version. Receivers that handle that version are coming:D
You also need that .1, a good sub.
Room treatment, possibly? Pop corn machine? :D Comfortable seats? ;)
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
You really do need to set a budget in order to get any specific advice. You could get a very nice surround system comprised of a good HT receiver, 5 speakers and a good subwoofer, along with all the cables & stuff, for $2500 or less. Or you could spend a half million dollars pretty easily!:eek: In between lies a lot of territory.

Room size is the first issue. A larger room will require larger speakers and more powerful amps to get good sound. And a larger room will require a more powerful subwoofer, or multiple subs.

I figured WAF wasn't a major issue- seldom do you see RPTVs that big if the lady of the house has any say in it.:p I'd strongly recommend setting aside $500-$1000 for acoustic treatments if finances permit. It's hard to imagine it, but often a $5,000 system in a well treated room will outperform a $50,000 system in an untreated room. The room is arguably the most important component in our system, along with the speakers.

The receiver is the heart of your system. It will connect & switch all your audio and video components and feed them to your speakers and TV. It's not necessary to spend a ton but you don't want to skimp here. Look for something with decent power (85 WPC will do most rooms, more is better) and plenty of connections. Since many components have digital outputs, you'll want to make sure you can connect several. Newer models will switch HDMI, and this is a great feature (eg you could connect your PS3 and an HD-DVD player to the receiver, then to your TV- a great thing if your TV set only has one HDMI input). Another nice feature is video upconversion; this will upconvert all video devices to component video to minimize the amount of cables you need. Also, make sure it has good bass management and the ability to decode all relevant formats. Lastly, spend some time with remote. It's the interface you'll end up using 95% of the time, so either be sure you like the layout or plan on a univeral remote.

You may wish to then consider the subwoofer. A good sub isn't cheap but the success of your HT system will depend in great part on the quality of your bass. The size of the room and your viewing habits will determine what you need. There's a lot of info about subwoofers, but in the end it comes down to displacement- a larger room will require a larger, more powerful subwoofer. HSU Research acually rates their subs by room size. The best thing would be to spend a year or two reading everything you can find, starting here. What- you don't wanna wait a couple years?:eek: ;) Then here's a shortcut.

Very good subwoofer companies:

- Axiom
- Hsu Research
- SVS
- VMPS
- Velodyne
- AV123/Onix Rocket

Are there other good brands? Sure, there are dozens. But if you stick to brands listed above and buy the correct size for your room you should be okay.

Speakers: This is the most subjective part of HT, but there are rules that apply. First, decide what you want out of them. Will they be just for gaming & HT or will they pull double duty for music? While it's often said that good speakers will do a good job with anything you feed them, HT reproduction is a bit simpler than good musical performance. There are many rigs that will give good theater sound but fall short with high resolution music.

A few rules of thumb- as above, there's no replacement for displacement. Avoid subwoofer/satellite systems with very very small midrange/woofers (smaller than 5" or so). A small driver is unable to play low notes with clarity and adequate volume. Even though you'll use a sub, the mains must reach down low enough to "meet the subs in between." Likewise, the laws of physics dictate that all else being equal a larger speaker will play louder with less distortion than a smaller one.

Next, plan on buying voice matched speakers. Stick to five speakers from the same company and the same line. The sub needn't be the same brand, but the mains & center at the very minimum must match. Otherwise when sounds pan from one speaker to the other there'll be discontinuities in the reproduced sound. Best case would be either 5 identical speakers or 3 identical ones across the front (ie Front Left, Center & Front Right) with voice matched surrounds. Many people, myself included, prefer dipole or bipole surround for HT. Most speaker companies produce speakers designed for the surround channels of HT.

Don't waste money on expensive cables, especially Monster Cable. Salemen will agressively push "premium" cabling not because of performance but because of margin: cables are the most profitable product they sell. Stick with good quality yet affordable stuff like Blue Jeans, AR & the like.

Finally do some research on setup. Speakers won't perform at their best unless carefully set up according to the manufacturers guidelines. This is where you'll really hear the difference in an acoustically treated room.

Ultimately what you get out of your rig depends on the care and thought you put into it's purchase and set up. There's no substitute for carefully reseraching your system, but reading the content at AH will get you off to a great start!:D
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
You really do need to set a budget in order to get any specific advice. You could get a very nice surround system comprised of a good HT receiver, 5 speakers and a good subwoofer, along with all the cables & stuff, for $2500 or less. Or you could spend a half million dollars pretty easily!:eek: In between lies a lot of territory.

Room size is the first issue. A larger room will require larger speakers and more powerful amps to get good sound. And a larger room will require a more powerful subwoofer, or multiple subs.

I figured WAF wasn't a major issue- seldom do you see RPTVs that big if the lady of the house has any say in it.:p I'd strongly recommend setting aside $500-$1000 for acoustic treatments if finances permit. It's hard to imagine it, but often a $5,000 system in a well treated room will outperform a $50,000 system in an untreated room. The room is arguably the most important component in our system, along with the speakers.

The receiver is the heart of your system. It will connect & switch all your audio and video components and feed them to your speakers and TV. It's not necessary to spend a ton but you don't want to skimp here. Look for something with decent power (85 WPC will do most rooms, more is better) and plenty of connections. Since many components have digital outputs, you'll want to make sure you can connect several. Newer models will switch HDMI, and this is a great feature (eg you could connect your PS3 and an HD-DVD player to the receiver, then to your TV- a great thing if your TV set only has one HDMI input). Another nice feature is video upconversion; this will upconvert all video devices to component video to minimize the amount of cables you need. Also, make sure it has good bass management and the ability to decode all relevant formats. Lastly, spend some time with remote. It's the interface you'll end up using 95% of the time, so either be sure you like the layout or plan on a univeral remote.

You may wish to then consider the subwoofer. A good sub isn't cheap but the success of your HT system will depend in great part on the quality of your bass. The size of the room and your viewing habits will determine what you need. There's a lot of info about subwoofers, but in the end it comes down to displacement- a larger room will require a larger, more powerful subwoofer. HSU Research acually rates their subs by room size. The best thing would be to spend a year or two reading everything you can find, starting here. What- you don't wanna wait a couple years?:eek: ;) Then here's a shortcut.

Very good subwoofer companies:

- Axiom
- Hsu Research
- SVS
- VMPS
- Velodyne
- AV123/Onix Rocket

Are there other good brands? Sure, there are dozens. But if you stick to brands listed above and buy the correct size for your room you should be okay.

Speakers: This is the most subjective part of HT, but there are rules that apply. First, decide what you want out of them. Will they be just for gaming & HT or will they pull double duty for music? While it's often said that good speakers will do a good job with anything you feed them, HT reproduction is a bit simpler than good musical performance. There are many rigs that will give good theater sound but fall short with high resolution music.

A few rules of thumb- as above, there's no replacement for displacement. Avoid subwoofer/satellite systems with very very small midrange/woofers (smaller than 5" or so). A small driver is unable to play low notes with clarity and adequate volume. Even though you'll use a sub, the mains must reach down low enough to "meet the subs in between." Likewise, the laws of physics dictate that all else being equal a larger speaker will play louder with less distortion than a smaller one.

Next, plan on buying voice matched speakers. Stick to five speakers from the same company and the same line. The sub needn't be the same brand, but the mains & center at the very minimum must match. Otherwise when sounds pan from one speaker to the other there'll be discontinuities in the reproduced sound. Best case would be either 5 identical speakers or 3 identical ones across the front (ie Front Left, Center & Front Right) with voice matched surrounds. Many people, myself included, prefer dipole or bipole surround for HT. Most speaker companies produce speakers designed for the surround channels of HT.

Don't waste money on expensive cables, especially Monster Cable. Salemen will agressively push "premium" cabling not because of performance but because of margin: cables are the most profitable product they sell. Stick with good quality yet affordable stuff like Blue Jeans, AR & the like.

Finally do some research on setup. Speakers won't perform at their best unless carefully set up according to the manufacturers guidelines. This is where you'll really hear the difference in an acoustically treated room.

Ultimately what you get out of your rig depends on the care and thought you put into it's purchase and set up. There's no substitute for carefully reseraching your system, but reading the content at AH will get you off to a great start!:D
Very nice post!! My rule of thumb is 65% of the total system budget goes to speakers. Cheap out on electronics if you must since they a negligible effect on sound quality, but never cheap out on speakers! Especially the front three.

Nick
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
I agree, the speakers are the most important (next to the room itself). I was only commenting that since HDMI seems to be a priority for him, and budget seems not to be the issue, getting a nice rec is a good idea. There's no such thing as future proof, but you'll be in good shape if you get the features you really need (eg enough inputs for reasonably foreseeable expansions, video upconverting, HDMI switching, etc).

As a dedicated fanboy of Monitor Audio, I'd suggest you might want to look at the deal on the Bronze B line at SaturdayAudio.com. They've got a pretty good deal going right now, especially if you buy all five. I use (modded) Bronze B2's at my PC, driven by an NAD C-320BEE and I think they're stellar for the price. The Silvers are even nicer, albeit more expensive.
 
Thunder18

Thunder18

Senior Audioholic
I'd suggest skimping on the receiver until the start coming out with ones equipped with HDMI 1.3. Then you will be able to access the advanced audio formats available on the Blu-ray movies. Perhaps one of the lower model Pioneers available at most big box stores for around $500. Then you trade-up when the new models come out.
 

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