I'm looking to save $ with Onkyo

farscaper

farscaper

Audioholic
Hello,
I'm new to this forum. Good conversations.

I was looking at buying the Onkyo TX-SR601 but I have been reading some good news on the newer Onkyo TX-SR502. The 601 is over $100 more in my area. Is there a great enough difference to get the 601. Also, comparing the remotes.

I've got a couple of small rug-rats to take care of now. $100 matters.

Cheers,
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The main differences between the 502 and 601 are:
1. 601 is 85 watts and the 502 is 75 watts (inaudible difference)
2. 601 has On Screen Display for the setup menus. The 502 now has the same menu system but displays it on the front panel. The 502 menu is accessible from front panel buttons or the remote.
3. The 601 can upconvert composite video to s-video; the 502 cannot.
4. The 601 supports a stereo zone 2.

The 502 however has the current DPLIIx and DTS 96/24 decoders. I have had the 502 for a few months now and it absolutely flawless, no bugs that I have encountered yet. Unless you think you will make use of the zone2 feature or absolutely need composite to s-video upconversion, you will be satisfied with the 502. An additional plus is that you can find it well under its $300 retail price online.
 
farscaper

farscaper

Audioholic
Thank you for the info. How is the remote on the 502?
 
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The 502 remote is far better than the remote that came with the prior model 501 but is still nothing special. Naturally it controls the 502 and Onkyo dvd players just fine but it is pre-programmed only (not learning capable) and if it doesn't have a code that works your other devices you'll be stuck with multiple remotes. It is a bit long and bulky and has no backlighting.

The One For All URC-8811 ($20) or 88102w (same remote but sold at WalMart) has the codes for Onkyo built-in and can control alot of other devices. So that is a relatively cheap alternative if you find the 502 remote lacking.
 
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HokieVT

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Does anyone know where I can find the remote codes for my other devices? I looked on the manufacturer's websites but found nothing.
 
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HokieVT said:
Does anyone know where I can find the remote codes for my other devices? I looked on the manufacturer's websites but found nothing.
The short answer is you can't. If the pre-programmed ROM of the remote does not have a setup code that contains the proper signals to send a device, there is nothing you can do to add one (except in the case of URC remotes where you can send it to them and they can flash the rom for you).

There is a great misconception about pre-programmed remotes. These remotes have a number ('setup' code) which is nothing more than a way to identify a table in memory that contains details of the protocol and code numbers to send to a device to access a particular function. They are not compatible from remote to remote. URC remotes use setup code 0135 for Onkyo receivers; others may use a different number - if you enter 0135 into a different remote it may contain codes for an entirely different device or nothing at all. In the same way that your network card will drop all packets that do not have its ip address, the equipment will ignore any signal that does not match its device and sub-device number.

Just FYI, Onkyo has always used the nec1 and nec2 protocol. For this protocol, a command looks like device number / sub-device number followed by the command. Their device number is always 210. Their receivers sub-device number is 109 and their dvd players are sub-device number 43. Let's say the command for volume up is 128. The remote would send a 16bit word with the numbers 210/109, followed by command number 128 using the nec1 protocol. The 0135 setup code in the urc-8811 remote simply maps to a table that contains the information above: nec1 protocol, device=210, sub-device=109, command=128. A different remote could have the same information but use a different setup code to access it.

Using JP1 programming with a URC remote, you can add device,sub-device and protocol information that it does not already know about. Pre-programmed remotes supplied with equipment typically do not have that capability, so if it doesn't have a setup code with the required info, there is nothing you can do about it.
 
farscaper

farscaper

Audioholic
I knew there were good reasons to join this forum. Great info.
:D
 
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