OK I am not really understanding the purpose of this thread....are you actually looking to get an AVR or are you really asking us what we think the best AVR is??? If thats the case, 'the best' is all dependent on ones needs, listening habits, room, and price range. Of the AVRs you listed I personally would pick the 3808ci with the Pioneer in second to it. The 2808ci really isn't in the caliber with the others--the Onkyo 806 is a disappointing downgrade from the previous generation 805...All of this leaves the Yamaha in third to my top two. But then again, as I said, these 'top rankings' are all relative and pointless unless directed at a particular users needs...