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scalmes

Audiophyte
So me and some buddies are going to be getting a house next year and we are looking to get some pretty good audio equipment for it, problem being that none of us are very experienced in that field. In reading reviews and such, I think I've found some pretty good speaker options, but the problem being is that I don't know what amps/receivers would go well with the speakers. If we could spend under a grand on this stuff, I think we'd be pretty happy.

Some speaker options that look good so far would be either (I can't post links so I'll just say the names): BIC America RTR EV15's or Cerwin Vega VE-12's. And we would get two of them

So my question is, what amp/amps would go well with these speakers? and if we were to go with the BIC's, would it be a good idea to biamp them? If so, what would be TWO good amps to do that with?

I really appreciate the help.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Hi there. Welcome to the forum!

Sounds like you're excited to be moving into a house with some friends, and getting a good stereo system so you can crank out your music in style :D That's great! It's also great that you came here to ask questions first! Just by taking the time to come here and ask, I've gotta figure that you want to do this right , not just fast ;)

So let's slow down a bit and do this right :)

1) Are you and your friends going to be renting this house, or owning it?

2) What's the neighbor situation going to be? Are you going to be renting the whole house, or just the top floor, or just the basement? Any neighbors close by? Getting noise complaints is no fun. And you don't want to be jerks and be bothering people, right?

3) What's going to be playing through this audio system? Just music? TV and movies? Hooking up an iPod? Playing music off of a computer? Streaming music over the internet?

4) What are you looking to get from this audio system? Do you want crazy, head banging, loud *** parties? Do you want hit-you-in-the-chest thumping bass? Just music playing in the background? What's the dream here?

5) Where is this audio system going in the house? Have you got a big living room or rec room? A great room (kitchen, dining, living room all in one big open space)? Just putting this system in one, enclosed room - like a bedroom or den? Filling up a whole basement for parties? In a room with doors open out to the patio for entertaining? What's the use case here?

6) Are you more interested in really accurate, high quality audio? Or do you just want something that can fill the whole house? Or do you not really care about quality so much, and just want music on in the background?

7) What's the budget? You've mentioned keeping it around or under $1000. Is that for the entire audio system? Or do you have money for speakers, and then $1000 is just for everything else?

Once we know what you're really after, we can give you some suggestions on what to check out and buy. There are tons of products out there, so it's all about matching what's out there to what you really want and how you want to use it! There's no "one size fits all" for this stuff ;)

So if you can get back to us with answers to those questions, we can help you out for sure.

:D
 
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scalmes

Audiophyte
Thanks for the quick reply. Yes we definitely want to do this right, speed doesn't matter as this won't be for a while.

1/2. We will be renting, and we will be renting the whole house. At this point in time we haven't decided which house yet so neighbor status is not yet established. I guess you could say we are looking for something that could be so loud and incredibly awesome that it potentially could get us in trouble, but we are fairly responsible and smart people..so we'd be doing our best to NOT get any complaints and stuff. And it is a college town, so who knows, neighbors may end up not being an issue, but that is unknown yet.

3. I'm assuming just music as of now. From either a computer like an aux, or from an ipod could be nice too.

4. In case we ever want to...crazy head banging loud *** parties and possibly some hit-you-in-the-chest thumping would suffice.

5. Most likely an open basement/rec room. I don't know how big the space is yet.

6. A solid equilibrium of quality and sound would be nice.

7. Right now that may be dependent on the people we are living with. So right now, a budget isn't really in place. But anything under $1000 TOTAL would be easily doable. Hopefully it's something that could last us a while too. Longevity.

Again, thanks so much. I'm not so much here to just figure out what I want, but I'd also like to figure out the why behind everything as well. The ability to learn.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Cool. OK. Thanks for answering my questions. Makes it much easier when we know what you're really after.

Since you do have some time and you're able to plan this out, before we get right into recommending gear, I think it would be really worth your while to do a little more planning before buying - maybe talk with your friends a bit, too, since they might have their own thoughts on some of this stuff.

If the idea is to have a big room - possibly like a basement rec room - and be able to have some loud parties there, one of the things you'll want to consider is coverage. That is to say, if you only have one pair of speakers blasting out the music, anyone who is standing close to the speakers might be going deaf, while people on the far side of the room - or folks upstairs, or in other rooms, etc. - will be hearing something much quieter. Now, sometimes that what you want! Sometimes you want it so that people can move to the far side of the room, or to a different room in the house, and be able to talk. Meanwhile, people who want to dance can just move closer to the speakers and have their hearing damaged :D

So that would be worth figuring out first. Because if you want more even coverage, you'll want to use a system with more than just two, very high output (loud) speakers. One easy option would be to just have a traditional 7 speaker setup like you would have in a home theater, and then use the "all channels" mode in your A/V Receiver - which is meant for exactly this sort of thing. You'd basically end up with two speakers at the front, two speakers at the back, and two speakers - one on each side wall - and they'd all be playing the same thing in that "all channels" mode, giving you nice, even coverage of sound throughout the entire big room, but none of the speakers would need to be individually so loud that a person standing close to them would be going deaf! If you're more after something like that, then your selection of gear changes a lot!

One other cool thing you could do with the traditional 7 speaker setup and an A/V Receiver is you could make your basement into a theater as well. You could put a huge projection screen down there - there are actually a lot of very good projectors that are cheaper than a big flat screen, and you could have a huge 120" (or bigger or smaller) screen! And you can get really good screens that come on a roller that you can either manually or electrically move up and down. So, for example, you could have a giant screen that rolls down (electric ones are more expensive than manual pull-down ones, obviously ;) ), and when it's just you and your friends, you could watch movies, TV or play games on a MASSIVE screen with full 7 speaker surround sound. And then when you have a party, you can just roll the screen up, put the projector away (or hang the projector on the ceiling for a more permanent installation), put the A/V Receiver into "all channels" mode, and use the exact same speakers for the party, giving you great coverage for the sound that will easily cover the whole room!

So that's one potential way to go. Another would be more of a "whole house" system. There are a few ways to do this:

a) you can get an A/V Receiver that also has "zone" outputs. Many AVRs include a "zone 2". Several include a "zone 2" and a "zone 3". Some even include 4 zones! You could have that theater with 7 speakers and 1 to 4 subwoofers in the basement - huge projection screen down there, and then "all channels" mode for parties - PLUS, the same A/V Receiver (one that has "zones") could also send a signal to other rooms in the house - maybe the kitchen and living room upstairs, for example. The "zone" outputs would require that you have external stereo amps for any of those other "zones", but the point is that you could play the same music in the basement AND upstairs - all at the same time - with speakers in each room! Or you could play one thing downstairs in the big basement room, and have different music playing in the rooms upstairs. Zones give you a lot of flexibility. And each room would have its own speakers. Obviously, that might increase the cost, but it can also mean you don't need to play each individual speaker nearly as loud. Much better coverage ;)

b) you can get a distribution amp. This is just an amp that takes one signal, and then sends it out to a whole bunch of speakers - like 10 or 12 are common. This is a simple way to, again, have a whole bunch of speakers in different rooms of the house all playing the same thing.

That's probably a good place to stop for now :p Those ideas might have giving you a lot to consider. I'm thinking a group of friends all living together might not mind a full on theater experience that can also double as a kick arse dance club in the basement though ;) Nothing like a truly HUGE screen for movies and videogames with full 7.1 surround sound, right? :D And it doesn't have to be crazy expensive these days. You can get really good projectors, 1080p and everything, for around $1000 these days. And a huge pull-down screen for under $300. You compare that to just getting a 55" LCD or something. It's no contest!

But if you don't want a theater, there are options to consider, as well. Two super loud speakers? Or 10 or 12 quieter speakers that can still give you better coverage. Huge speakers that can pump out bass all on their own? Or separate the bass and use subwoofers that can do it more efficiently, and allow you to use smaller speakers to handle the mid and treble? Keep the source of the sound all in the basement? Or have "zones" so you can play the same music - or different music - upstairs at the same time?

Budget would obviously go up and down depending on these options. But if you're spreading the cost around, your friends might be really into it. Or they might just want two super loud speakers and nothing else :p
 
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