Hooking up Xbox 360 to current set up...

[Andy348]

I've got an Xbox 360 hooked up to a 54ish" TV that probably weighs a ton and is about three feet deep. I'm looking to move it into the other room and take advantage of the HDMI the system can do. In the other room I've got:

42" Sharp 1080p Widescreen Mounted on the wall
5.1 Surround Sound (4 bose shelf speakers, 1 bose center and a klipsich subwoofer I believe 14")
Yamaha Natural Sound DVD player DV-s5750
Yamaha Natural Sound AV reciever HTR-5830

Now all this was bought for my fathers 50th birthday, by my mother who has absolutely no idea what a DVD player is. She pretty much walked into Best Buy and loaded up the CC.

Originally we got the Geek Squad to set it up because we couldn't understand it. The guy set everything up in an hour and its all working perfectly. Trying to save myself the outrageous fees of the Geeks, I've come here. I'm really hoping I don't need to connect the cables to the TV because I really can't take that damn thing off the wall. I tried hooking the HDMI cables of the 360 into the reciever and played around with it a bit but it didn't work.

If you need pics of the back of the system or anything just ask.

Thanks! and sorry if I put this in the wrong spot

 

[Adam]

Welcome to the forum!

Are you sure that you typed the correct model number for your receiver (HTR-5830)? That model is older and doesn't have any HDMI inputs.

We can still help you connect your 360 to your system, but I wanted to verify that first because you stated that you did connect HDMI to the receiver (although you said "cables", so maybe I'm misunderstanding the 360 connections).

One thing that is pretty typical is that the HDMI inputs on a receiver need to be assigned to a source selection (e.g. "DVD", "TV"). That's what I was checking for when I noticed that there aren't any HDMI inputs on the HTR-5830.

 

[Andy348]

Welcome to the forum!

Are you sure that you typed the correct model number for your receiver (HTR-5830)? That model is older and doesn't have any HDMI inputs.

We can still help you connect your 360 to your system, but I wanted to verify that first because you stated that you did connect HDMI to the receiver (although you said "cables", so maybe I'm misunderstanding the 360 connections).

One thing that is pretty typical is that the HDMI inputs on a receiver need to be assigned to a source selection (e.g. "DVD", "TV"). That's what I was checking for when I noticed that there aren't any HDMI inputs on the HTR-5830.

Yeah, its the HTR-5830. It not having HDMI is news to me, ha.

Well the 360 has the 3 normal, color coded cables (white,red,yellow) and then it has three extras (blue,red,yellow) and an "HDMI" switch. I plugged in the cables where the colors matched even though there were tuns of places and nothing. I'll take a picture of the back whenever my phone is charged...

Does this make sense?

And thanks for the welcome

 

[NicolasKL]

Do you have the manual for the receiver? With digital inputs you generally have to go into the menu on the receiver and tell it which input is which. Eg you'll have 4 HDMI inputs and two optical inputs and two digital coax inputs and you'll have to go into the menu system and tell the receiver that you want it to use HDMI port #1 (or 2, or 4, or whatever) for whichever selector you want (DVD, CD, DBS, VCR1, etc).

With my receiver (Denon) I go into the menu, go to the audio inputs, and it throws up a list of all the different options (DVD, CD, VCR1, etc). By default these are all set to "None" so you just have to pick whichever one isn't in use that you want to use for your 360 and cycle through the options until you get to whichever HDMI port you plugged the 360 into. You may need to do the same thing for video options also, but may not since it may know that the HDMI is carrying both audio and video. I would guess you'll have to though.

Then you just tune whichever input you selected (DVD, CD, whatever) by hitting the buttons or turning the knob on the front of the receiver. With a lot of receivers you can also rename those names to make it a little more obvious. My 360 is plugged into what the receiver calls the DBS input but I renamed it XBox 360 so it displays that when you cycle through the inputs.

 

[NicolasKL]

If you're using multiple color coded cables you're not using HDMI. HDMI is a single cable that carries both audio and video and looks like this:

It sounds like your first problem is probably that you have the 360 set to use the HDMI output, but you're not using the HDMI output, so the 360 may not even be sending anything out to the non-HDMI outputs.

The second potential is that you can't just plug everything in randomly as long as the colors match. You need to plug the cables into a specific input (DVD, for example) and then set the receiver to that input. The red/white/yellow are left/right/video (or right/left/video, can't remember which and it doesn't matter). The blue/red/yellow are called component cables and carry a higher quality video signal, and they're video only, no audio.

So you need to either plug in the red/white/yellow or you need to plug in red/white/blue/red/yellow and skip the other yellow that's bundled with the red and the white. I'd just go with the red/white/yellow and not worry about the other ones for now.

 

[Andy348]

If you're using multiple color coded cables you're not using HDMI. HDMI is a single cable that carries both audio and video and looks like this:

Okay.. then what are the extra 3 cables for? Maybe 720p? I'm sure its something better, and I guess it would be 720p.

I have the manuals and I tried reading them but they confuse me I'm great with computers and phones and stuff but this audio stuff confuses me

When I click input on my TV it gives me options TV, DVD, Input 4, Input 5. The input 2&3 seem to be blocked out.

I'll check out the manual in a sec and see if I can get it working. I got it to a point before where two speakers worked for the surround sound but no picture.

Thanks again.

 

[Adam]

Well the 360 has the 3 normal, color coded cables (white,red,yellow) and then it has three extras (blue,red,yellow) and an "HDMI" switch. I plugged in the cables where the colors matched even though there were tuns of places and nothing. I'll take a picture of the back whenever my phone is charged...

Does this make sense?

Gotcha. It might be helpful to see where you've connected things, but just know that you need five posts before you can post pictures here (you can always just post a few more junk posts - no one will mind). A picture of the back panel can be found here.

You can assign the component video inputs (the ones that use the blue, red, and green connections) on the receiver. That's discussed on page 44 of the owner's manual. You can't assign the analog audio inputs (those are the red and white connections), so you'll need to select whichever source corresponds to the jacks that you use on the back for those (e.g. "V-AUX") and then assign the component video inputs to that source.

EDIT: How is the receiver connected to the TV? I'm wondering which video connection is being used.

 

[NicolasKL]

And Adam is right, your receiver doesn't have HDMI.

On the back of your receiver, towards the left (if you're looking at it FROM the back) there is a box outlined in white that says AUDIO and VIDEO at the top of it. Below that are the different options (DVD is at the top, then DTV, V-Aux, and then VCR in and out). Hopefully one of the top two is not in use. If it isn't, plug the red and white cables into one or the other (DVD or DTV). Then plug the other three cables (blue red green (the third color should be green, not yellow) into the correct input (whichever one you also used for the red/white(audio) cables), either DVD or DTV.

Then hit the left/right input buttons on the front of the receiver until whichever one you put the cables into is selected (again, either DVD or DTV). If there's a switch on your 360 that says HDMI make sure it is NOT set to HDMI.

 

[Andy348]

Gotcha. It might be helpful to see where you've connected things, but just know that you need five posts before you can post pictures here (you can always just post a few more junk posts - no one will mind). A picture of the back panel can be found SL.jpg"]here[/URL].

You can assign the component video inputs (the ones that use the blue, red, and green connections) on the receiver. That's discussed on page 44 of the owner's manual. You can't assign the analog audio inputs (those are the red and white connections), so you'll need to select whichever source corresponds to the jacks that you use on the back for those (e.g. "V-AUX") and then assign the component video inputs to that source.

EDIT: How is the receiver connected to the TV? I'm wondering which video connection is being used.

I'll go get the camera and then post up some pics. Gimme 5 mins

 

[NicolasKL]

EDIT: How is the receiver connected to the TV? I'm wondering which video connection is being used.

Yeah, if your TV is connected with a single yellow where it says "MONITOR OUT" then there's not really any point in using the component (red/blue/green) cables for your 360. If your TV is connected with three cables where it says COMPONENT VIDEO, then it's okay.

The best thing for your 360 would be to use the component video cables and optical cable for audio (instead of the red white).

 

[Andy348]

Here we go, if it helps..









So what exactly do I need to plug in? I'll try the above suggestions..

You guys are great!

 

[Adam]

Thanks for the pics! That sure helps to clear some things up.

The Geek squad person didn't connect the receiver to the TV. They must have connected the DVD player directly to the TV. You can modify that really easily, though, without having to even touch the TV. You'll need one more set of cables, but you can get them inexpensively if you don't already have some around.

It'll take me a minute to type that out, so I'll do that in another post. Just wanted to let you know that we're still working on it.

 

[Andy348]

Thanks for the pics! That sure helps to clear some things up.

The Geek squad person didn't connect the receiver to the TV. They must have connected the DVD player directly to the TV. You can modify that really easily, though, without having to even touch the TV. You'll need one more set of cables, but you can get them inexpensively if you don't already have some around.

It'll take me a minute to type that out, so I'll do that in another post. Just wanted to let you know that we're still working on it.

Does this mean that we could use the surround sound on the normal TV instead of only on the DVD player?

So as it stands right now, I need another set of cables?

 

[Adam]

Alrighty, here's how to update the connections.

On the back of the DVD player, there are three cables connected to component video outputs. Those are labeled "Y", "PB", and "PR" and are color coded.

The first thing to do is to simply disconnect those from the DVD player and connect them to the "COMPONENT VIDEO - MONITOR OUT" jacks on the receiver that are also labeled "Y", "PB", and "PR" and are color coded. The cable connectors also appear color coded in your picture, so I think that you won't have any trouble making that switch.

Next, you could hook up your Xbox 360 to one set of the COMPONENT VIDEO inputs on the back of the receiver, and hook up the analog audio (red/white connectors) to one of the audio inputs on the receiver ("V-AUX", for example). Remember that you'll need to assign the component video inputs to the correct source selection ("V-AUX" in this example).

The one remaining connection to make is the video connection from the DVD player to the receiver. For that, you'll need another set of three cables to connect the component video outputs from the DVD player (the green, blue, and red connectors) to the receiver. You definitely don't need to use Monster cables like were used (probably recommended by the Best Buy salesperson). You can get those cables made by different manufacturers for much less money at places like Monoprice.com or other stores that will work just as well. If you want some suggestions, just let us know. If you have three RCA cables around, you can use those, too. You do want to use video cables instead of audio cables because video cables have more shielding around the wire, but you can always swap the cables out later if needed.

 

[Adam]

Does this mean that we could use the surround sound on the normal TV instead of only on the DVD player?

From your pictures, I'm guessing that the DVD player is connected to the audio inputs on the TV, allowing you to listen to the DVD player audio either through the TV or the receiver. Is that correct?

If you are asking if you can listen to audio from the TV (when you're watching regular TV), I'm betting that you can - but you'll need to make another connection to the receiver. Your pictures would indicate that there isn't any audio connection to the receiver from the TV (or cable box or satellite receiver). To help you make that connection, I have a question - are you using a cable box or satellite receiver? If not, what is the model number of your TV?

 

[Andy348]

Alrighty, here's how to update the connections.

On the back of the DVD player, there are three cables connected to component video outputs. Those are labeled "Y", "PB", and "PR" and are color coded.

The first thing to do is to simply disconnect those from the DVD player and connect them to the "COMPONENT VIDEO - MONITOR OUT" jacks on the receiver that are also labeled "Y", "PB", and "PR" and are color coded. The cable connectors also appear color coded in your picture, so I think that you won't have any trouble making that switch.

Next, you could hook up your Xbox 360 to one set of the COMPONENT VIDEO inputs on the back of the receiver, and hook up the analog audio (red/white connectors) to one of the audio inputs on the receiver ("V-AUX", for example). Remember that you'll need to assign the component video inputs to the correct source selection ("V-AUX" in this example).

The one remaining connection to make is the video connection from the DVD player to the receiver. For that, you'll need another set of three cables to connect the component video outputs from the DVD player (the green, blue, and red connectors) to the receiver. You definitely don't need to use Monster cables like were used (probably recommended by the Best Buy salesperson). You can get those cables made by different manufacturers for much less money at places like Monoprice.com or other stores that will work just as well. If you want some suggestions, just let us know. If you have three RCA cables around, you can use those, too. You do want to use video cables instead of audio cables because video cables have more shielding around the wire, but you can always swap the cables out later if needed.

I'll try this out after lunch, and I'll get my dad to read this

Is there any way to get surround sound on the normal TV though?

 

[Adam]

Is there any way to get surround sound on the normal TV though?

Look up one post.

 

[Andy348]

Look up one post.

Sorry about that, 'twas posted while I was writing.

I've got my dad real excited because he's wanted surround sound TV for ages. I currently have the cable wire (no box) going straight to the TV. If I were to reroute this to the back of the reciever, could we get surround sound (obviously also do the steps above).

 

[Adam]

I've got my dad real excited because he's wanted surround sound TV for ages.

Well, I think that we can get you all hooked up for that.

I currently have the cable wire (no box) going straight to the TV. If I were to reroute this to the back of the reciever, could we get surround sound (obviously also do the steps above).

No. You can't connect the cable feed directly to the receiver. However, the TV almost surely has audio output. Hopefully, it'll have a digital audio output. If you let us know the model number, we can check on the details for you.

 

[Andy348]

Well, I think that we can get you all hooked up for that.


No. You can't connect the cable feed directly to the receiver. However, the TV almost surely has audio output. Hopefully, it'll have a digital audio output. If you let us know the model number, we can check on the details for you.

Sharp 42" Widescreen model LC-24D62U

it says on the manual Dolby Digital...